In what way are they "national"? They have no clear association with national authorities for any nation. Their contact info is a personal phone number, and (the same) personal e-mail address for all roles; combined with a squarespace page, it seems unlikely they have national presence. Is it just that if they get reports from Canada they'll ignore them?
Ergo the use of the term 'national' does not automatically indicate intent by the organization to influence the presumption of association with national (regulatory) bodies.
No, but it conventionally indicates either that, or (a goal of) national presence; for example the National Association of Realtors has members in all fifty states of the (US) nation, not just in one dude's apartment.
A well funded agency would likely be able to develop a sensor package which tracks objects with multiple cameras with various zoom lenses and spectrums (IR/UV/etc.) and also radio.
I think tech is becoming so good eventually some enterprising UAP engineer is going to be able to cobble something together with off the shelf components and start selling kits.
Probably nothing will come of it still, I think, but who knows?
But they are funded in part by the national (federal) government, and are available nationally (across the nation); contrast with for example New York Public Radio which does not have national aspirations, being focused instead on... New York.
> brilliant yellow white plasma object teardrop shaped
> took 8 photographs and four video segments of the UAP including a 4:47 video of the UAP/light embedded in this report.
> ACAS SSR radar did not detect anything
> As the aircraft and its attendant UAP/Light approached the Mexico/US border the UAP/Light began to flicker, it changed colors from yellow-white to pinkish/purple, and turned on a perpendicular heading away from the aircraft and parallel to the border without crossing into the United States
That’s hilarious.
> Movements
> 1. The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraft, shone a light on the 767 and briefly approached the aircraft. Then it instantly matched the speed, and heading of the aircraft and maintained a consistent separation.
> a. The light descended vertically, stopped abruptly, and shone a light on the 767 causing the crew to believe that there was another airliner on a collision heading with its landing lights on.
> b. It changed direction from vertical descent to a sudden stop/hover, to approaching the aircraft briefly, to taking the same heading and speed of the aircraft at about the same altitude and an estimated distance of 1-2k ft.
> c. It matched the altitude, speed, and heading of the aircraft, 575mph and at 37,000ft for over 32 minutes.
> d. The UAP/Light changed colors and turned away from the aircraft on a perpendicular heading, West, just inside the Mexico/US border.
> e. The UAP/light did not have wings or running lights. It was a new and unique observation to the experienced air crew.
Right after 4 minute mark when it goes away was the most interesting part, because it does look like the color changed to yellow and then autofocus stops having trouble and it disappears slowly, which would be consistent with something flying directly away from the camera potentially, and seems to disappear too slowly to be clouds getting in the way?
Planes should be equipped with external 4K cameras now to supplement the black box, maybe call it a red box (since it’s video). Then they could just upload it and clear it out for the next flight, periodically replacing the media. The cost of doing this and additional fuel required for the weight could be fully offset by selling the data, e.g. to farmers, intelligence, police, pilots, and people that subscribe just to see videos of flights. Or maybe you could stream it.
> “We don’t do things like that here at all. So, Vauxhall [MI6] will almost never outsource meaningful intelligence work to the private sector,” they said.
That one explains that "Vauxhall" is a metonym for MI6, whose headquarters is in Vauxhall.
> Still, trading in knowledge is commonplace. The same person added that there is a “lot of frustration from both sides of the river [Thames] that the old boys’ network was getting a bit too informal, with people telling their clients that they can call their old buddies.”
That one completely fails to explain that "both sides of the river" means MI6 and MI5 (whose headquarters are on different sides of the Thames).
it's pretty clear there exist vehicles that are inconsistent with our understanding of physics. by example, anyone who has worked in cryptography also works at the edges of classified maths and computer science, where it's also pretty clear there is a funnel in place that reduces the number of people who are capable and cleared to work on the classified stuff, and that this funnel or cone at the entrance to classified maths and comp sci topics has been very effective so far. I'd bet there is a similar scheme for the physics behind UAP propulsion.
by analogy in cryptgraphy and security, remember that people used to get isolated and discredited as conspiracy theorists for believing-in or talking about ECHELON and any suggestion about a program like BULLRUN to backdoor algorithms would get you laughed out of rooms. somehow there was always someone within a degree of security projects to spread a rumor that someone was some kind of unstable or paranoid lunatic if they spent any effort trying to discover surveillance instrumentation.
I'd suggest that these UAP craft are protected by similar social mechanisms in physics.
Further, I think we're going to see many more of these limited hangouts of advanced propulsion and energy tech because as AI reasoning capability increases, it's going to discover classified maths and physics (ask it about cryptographic attacks now), and the establishment that manages that advantage is going to need to stay ahead of that.
In what way are they "national"? They have no clear association with national authorities for any nation. Their contact info is a personal phone number, and (the same) personal e-mail address for all roles; combined with a squarespace page, it seems unlikely they have national presence. Is it just that if they get reports from Canada they'll ignore them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Realto... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Wome... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Underw... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_Bilin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Interc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Black_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Rocket...
Ergo the use of the term 'national' does not automatically indicate intent by the organization to influence the presumption of association with national (regulatory) bodies.
No, but it conventionally indicates either that, or (a goal of) national presence; for example the National Association of Realtors has members in all fifty states of the (US) nation, not just in one dude's apartment.
NAR also had 117 years to mature.
And had 120 members across ~15 states on day one, yes.
In a totally non-fringe, non-dismissed, socially accepted, even legally defined profession.
We don't even today have standardizations to understand what equipment should be used to even record the data that this phenomena generates.
Peculiar right?
A well funded agency would likely be able to develop a sensor package which tracks objects with multiple cameras with various zoom lenses and spectrums (IR/UV/etc.) and also radio.
I think tech is becoming so good eventually some enterprising UAP engineer is going to be able to cobble something together with off the shelf components and start selling kits.
Probably nothing will come of it still, I think, but who knows?
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Similar to how National Public Radio has no affiliation with national authorities.
But they are funded in part by the national (federal) government, and are available nationally (across the nation); contrast with for example New York Public Radio which does not have national aspirations, being focused instead on... New York.
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https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20
> brilliant yellow white plasma object teardrop shaped
> took 8 photographs and four video segments of the UAP including a 4:47 video of the UAP/light embedded in this report.
> ACAS SSR radar did not detect anything
> As the aircraft and its attendant UAP/Light approached the Mexico/US border the UAP/Light began to flicker, it changed colors from yellow-white to pinkish/purple, and turned on a perpendicular heading away from the aircraft and parallel to the border without crossing into the United States
That’s hilarious.
> Movements
> 1. The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraft, shone a light on the 767 and briefly approached the aircraft. Then it instantly matched the speed, and heading of the aircraft and maintained a consistent separation.
> a. The light descended vertically, stopped abruptly, and shone a light on the 767 causing the crew to believe that there was another airliner on a collision heading with its landing lights on.
> b. It changed direction from vertical descent to a sudden stop/hover, to approaching the aircraft briefly, to taking the same heading and speed of the aircraft at about the same altitude and an estimated distance of 1-2k ft.
> c. It matched the altitude, speed, and heading of the aircraft, 575mph and at 37,000ft for over 32 minutes.
> d. The UAP/Light changed colors and turned away from the aircraft on a perpendicular heading, West, just inside the Mexico/US border.
> e. The UAP/light did not have wings or running lights. It was a new and unique observation to the experienced air crew.
Standard UFO behavior.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Ifj2DgBGg
Longer: https://youtu.be/Gu0EemWzZpM
Right after 4 minute mark when it goes away was the most interesting part, because it does look like the color changed to yellow and then autofocus stops having trouble and it disappears slowly, which would be consistent with something flying directly away from the camera potentially, and seems to disappear too slowly to be clouds getting in the way?
https://youtu.be/Gu0EemWzZpM?t=4m0s
Planes should be equipped with external 4K cameras now to supplement the black box, maybe call it a red box (since it’s video). Then they could just upload it and clear it out for the next flight, periodically replacing the media. The cost of doing this and additional fuel required for the weight could be fully offset by selling the data, e.g. to farmers, intelligence, police, pilots, and people that subscribe just to see videos of flights. Or maybe you could stream it.
Onlyturbofans ?
There's some funny square bracketing in here.
> “We don’t do things like that here at all. So, Vauxhall [MI6] will almost never outsource meaningful intelligence work to the private sector,” they said.
That one explains that "Vauxhall" is a metonym for MI6, whose headquarters is in Vauxhall.
> Still, trading in knowledge is commonplace. The same person added that there is a “lot of frustration from both sides of the river [Thames] that the old boys’ network was getting a bit too informal, with people telling their clients that they can call their old buddies.”
That one completely fails to explain that "both sides of the river" means MI6 and MI5 (whose headquarters are on different sides of the Thames).
I believe you intended to comment on this thread - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44687145 - not here.
(If dang sees this he might be able to move yours over and delete mine?)
Oh crikey, yes i did, thank you! That's what i get for opening dozens of tabs, i suppose. I'll copy it myself.
NARC? Cute.
Doesn't the government already take these reports?
it's pretty clear there exist vehicles that are inconsistent with our understanding of physics. by example, anyone who has worked in cryptography also works at the edges of classified maths and computer science, where it's also pretty clear there is a funnel in place that reduces the number of people who are capable and cleared to work on the classified stuff, and that this funnel or cone at the entrance to classified maths and comp sci topics has been very effective so far. I'd bet there is a similar scheme for the physics behind UAP propulsion.
by analogy in cryptgraphy and security, remember that people used to get isolated and discredited as conspiracy theorists for believing-in or talking about ECHELON and any suggestion about a program like BULLRUN to backdoor algorithms would get you laughed out of rooms. somehow there was always someone within a degree of security projects to spread a rumor that someone was some kind of unstable or paranoid lunatic if they spent any effort trying to discover surveillance instrumentation.
I'd suggest that these UAP craft are protected by similar social mechanisms in physics.
Further, I think we're going to see many more of these limited hangouts of advanced propulsion and energy tech because as AI reasoning capability increases, it's going to discover classified maths and physics (ask it about cryptographic attacks now), and the establishment that manages that advantage is going to need to stay ahead of that.