14 comments

  • Falimonda an hour ago ago

    I've been building something in this space ("Clink" - multi-agent coordination layer) and this research confirms some of the assumptions that motivated the project. You can't just throw more agents at a problem and expect it to get better.

    The error amplification numbers are wild! 17x for independent agents vs 4x with some central coordination. Clink provides users (and more importantly their agents) the primitives to choose their own pattern.

    The most relevant features are...

    - work queues with claim/release for parallelizable tasks - checkpoint dependencies when things need to be sequential - consensus voting as a gate before anything critical happens

    The part about tool count increasing coordination overhead is interesting too. I've been considering exposing just a single tool to address this, but I wonder how this plays out as people start stacking more MCP servers together. It feels like we're all still learning what works here. The docs are at https://docs.clink.voxos.ai if anyone wants to poke around!

  • zkmon 4 hours ago ago

    > We found that independent multi-agent systems (agents working in parallel without talking) amplified errors by 17.2x

    The paper sounds too shallow. The errors data doesn't seem to have a rationale or correlation against the architecture. Specifically, what makes the SAS architecture to have lowest error rates while the similar architecture with independent agents having highest error rates? The conclusion doesn't seem well-grounded with reasoning.

  • localghost3000 6 hours ago ago

    I’ve been building a lot of agent workflows at my day job. Something that I’ve found a lot of success with when deciding on an orchestration strategy is to ask the agent what they recommend as part of the planning for phase. This technique of using the agent to help you improve its performance has been a game changer for me in leveraging this tech effectively. YMMV of course. I mostly use Claude code so who knows with the others.

  • kioku 2 hours ago ago

    I found the captions on Figure 1 quite interesting.

    > Average performance (%) across four agentic benchmarks improves consistently with increasing model Intelligence Index.

    > Centralized and hybrid coordination generally yield superior scaling efficiency, suggesting that collaborative agentic structures amplify capability gains more effectively than individual scaling alone.

    Then again, the deltas between SAS and best performing MAS approach are ~8%, so I can't help wonder if it's worth the extra cost, at least for the generation of models that was studied.

  • CuriouslyC 6 hours ago ago

    This is a neat idea but there are so many variables here that it's hard to make generalizations.

    Empirically, a top level orchestrator that calls out to a planning committee, then generates a task-dag from the plan which gets orchestrated in parallel where possible is the thing I've seen put in the best results in various heterogeneous environments. As models evolve, crosstalk may become less of a liability.

    • zby 6 hours ago ago

      Reasoning is recursive - you cannot isolate where is should be symbolic and where it should be llm based (fuzzy/neural). This is the idea that started https://github.com/zby/llm-do - there is also RLM: https://alexzhang13.github.io/blog/2025/rlm/ RLM is simpler - but my approach also have some advantages.

      • CuriouslyC 5 hours ago ago

        I only agree with that statement if you're drawing from the set of all possible problems a priori. For any individual domain I think it's likely you can bound your analytic. This ties into the no free lunch theorem.

  • verdverm 7 hours ago ago

    gonna read this with a grain of salt because I have been rather unimpressed with Google's Ai products, save direct API calls to gemini

    The rest is trash they are forcing down our throats

    • 4b11b4 7 hours ago ago

      Yeah alpha go and zero were lame. The earth foundation model - that's just ridiculous.

      That's sarcasm

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      Your "direct Gemini calls" is maybe the least impressive

      edit: This paper is mostly a sort of "quantitative survey". Nothing to get too excited about requiring a grain of salt

      • verdverm 6 hours ago ago

        The underlying models are impressive, be it Gemini (via direct API calls, vs the app or search), I would include alpha-go/fold/etc in that classification

        The products they build, where the agentic stuff is, is what I find unimpressive. The quality is low, the UX is bad, they are forced into every product. Two notable examples, search in GCloud, gemini-cli, antigravity (not theirs technically, $2B whitelabel deal with windsurf iirc)

        So yes, I see it as perfectly acceptable to be more skeptical of Google's take on agentic systems when I find their real world applications lackluster

        • 4b11b4 6 hours ago ago

          I agree with you in general re "agentic systems". Though they might deliberately not be trying to compete in the "agent harness" space yet.

          The antigravity experiment yes was via windsurf - probably nobody expected that to take off but maybe was work that made have surfaced some lessons worth learning from.

          • verdverm 6 hours ago ago

            My hunch is that Google is past it's prime, all the good PMs are gone, and now it looks like a chicken hydra with all the heads off and trying to run in multiple directs.

            There is no clear vision, coherence, or confidence that the products will be around in a another year

            • nawgz 5 hours ago ago

              Kind of a weird take given they are one of the strongest AI providers who are the most vertically integrated. Sure, maybe the company isn’t as healthy as it once was, but none of them are - late stage capitalism is rotting most foundations

              • verdverm 3 hours ago ago

                I saying this as a big, but dimming, Google-stan

                Their poor product decisions have driven me away, that doesn't mean I'm still very impressed with everything under that. I'm building my custom agent on their open source Agent Development Kit and the Gemini family.