You could get a visa in someplace like UAE tomorrow if you incorporate a shell company. Why would you wait if your plan is to flee anyway? It will only get more difficult the longer you wait.
By the way most countries require an apostilled FBI background check, recent copy of birth certificate w/ updated apostille, apostilled other documents, etc for a resident visa and they all have to be done within 90 days of your visa . So by the time the government is dysfunctional you'll only be able to flee to places without functional immigration control like Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, central Africa, etc as there will simply be no way to get the needed documents.
I may not be the best one to answer - I estimated 50% chance by last August. (I'm happy to be wrong.)
A civil war you can flee once the shooting starts. (Probably. Maybe not if you are male and of military age. And the region you're in may close the border for whatever reason.)
A coup is perhaps more likely to close the border, or at least to close it to "people like you" (if the side that doesn't like your kind is in charge). For that, I'd keep a close eye on this election, and up until the new Congress takes office, and maybe just after that. But if anything is going to happen, it will probably be before the new Congress is seated, because it's harder to create a veil of plausible grounds after that.
Hopefully quickly and efficiently deporting them back to the places they are legally citizens of.
Realistically, shittier living conditions in the detention centers, just like how in the 2000s and early 2010s living conditions were shittier in California prisons because they were overcrowded. Which is why refusing to sell or rent warehouse space to ICE is counterproductive from the point of view of illegal immigrant detainee welfare.
> As with most of the Nazis’ murderous actions, the deportation of German Jews was improvised and haphazard . The increased numbers of Jews arriving in the ghettos of eastern Europe led to severe overcrowding, unsustainable food shortages and poor sanitation. This, in combination with the slow progress in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, convinced the Nazis that a ‘solution’ to the ‘Jewish problem’ needed to be organised sooner than had been originally envisaged.
Bloomberg is spinning it the democrat way. If you look closely, deportations of illegals will make the life of citizens better. You'll just need to consume other media channels.
You again seem very deeply confused. I think you are from one of the inferior countries where things like freedom of speech and rule of law don't quite exist. Nothing wrong with it, it's not a personal or moral failing. You just need to understand that "illegality" is something that needs determination in a court of law, not a random whim or statement of a Karen off the streets.
If you think random ICE karens's "statements" count, then I think you should have no problem accepting mine counts too. Let me declare kreetx is an illegal alien and a violent murderous pedophile. I hope you would not resist arrest. After all it has been declared so.
I think there is a hesitation to downplay what the Jews experienced by using the same name, even if it accurate. Maybe some of the same things are happening but it's not the same as the Jewish experience in Germany.
Personally I have no issue with calling them concentration camps but it does feel there needs to be a word to distinguish them from the camps of the Holocaust.
Measles Has Now Begun To Infect Immigrant Detention Camps
It’s darkly funny, in a way, to recall a racist trope that gets trotted out about immigration all the time: immigrants bring disease into the country. That in itself isn’t funny, obviously. The funny part is that it seems like we’re proving the opposite to be true under the Trump administration. As the measles outbreak in America continues to rage, immigration detention camps are starting to feel the effects.
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It’s also worth remembering that the spread of disease is a recurring feature in the concentration camp industry. Deaths from disease as well. And, unlike the trope mentioned above, these are infections immigrants are getting from America, not bringing to her soil.
Crime rate has shot up violently. It just isn't being recorded right now. But it will be in future and the perpetrators dealt with, including if necessary by hanging.
Crime rate has been going down for 30 consecutive years (except during COVID). Immigrants (legal or otherwise) commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. "It seems" is doing a lot of work in your comment.
One of Hitlers first act was to convert a series of warehouses, unused factories, empty hotels into makeshift camps (“wild camps”) which would set the stage for the eventual concentration camp system. This happened almost immediately after the appointment of Hitler as chancellor. He hadn’t become the Fuhrer yet.
To be specific, those warehouses were used to 'reform' political enemies for a few months (communists at first, then democrats and liberals). The point was visible torture, then letting the political opponent out and forbidding him to talk about what happened inside (despite leaving torture marks, removed nails etc).
I mean, its common knowledge that he was inspired to construct concentration camps by the British and the Belgians doing exactly the same in their colonies.
He thought he would get away with it, because they were also doing it - the difference is, they did it way over the horizon, out of sight, whereas he did it in his own backyard for all the world to see.
What is the probability that there shall not be a civil war or coup in the US within the next 10 years? What is the earliest signal to flee?
You could get a visa in someplace like UAE tomorrow if you incorporate a shell company. Why would you wait if your plan is to flee anyway? It will only get more difficult the longer you wait.
By the way most countries require an apostilled FBI background check, recent copy of birth certificate w/ updated apostille, apostilled other documents, etc for a resident visa and they all have to be done within 90 days of your visa . So by the time the government is dysfunctional you'll only be able to flee to places without functional immigration control like Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, central Africa, etc as there will simply be no way to get the needed documents.
I mean, we already had a self-coup on January 6, 2021 that failed. The next one likely won't fail.
I may not be the best one to answer - I estimated 50% chance by last August. (I'm happy to be wrong.)
A civil war you can flee once the shooting starts. (Probably. Maybe not if you are male and of military age. And the region you're in may close the border for whatever reason.)
A coup is perhaps more likely to close the border, or at least to close it to "people like you" (if the side that doesn't like your kind is in charge). For that, I'd keep a close eye on this election, and up until the new Congress takes office, and maybe just after that. But if anything is going to happen, it will probably be before the new Congress is seated, because it's harder to create a veil of plausible grounds after that.
When they are full I wonder what the final solution will be?
Hopefully quickly and efficiently deporting them back to the places they are legally citizens of.
Realistically, shittier living conditions in the detention centers, just like how in the 2000s and early 2010s living conditions were shittier in California prisons because they were overcrowded. Which is why refusing to sell or rent warehouse space to ICE is counterproductive from the point of view of illegal immigrant detainee welfare.
Yes, that was the original plan the last time too.
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/how-and-why/how/deport...
> As with most of the Nazis’ murderous actions, the deportation of German Jews was improvised and haphazard . The increased numbers of Jews arriving in the ghettos of eastern Europe led to severe overcrowding, unsustainable food shortages and poor sanitation. This, in combination with the slow progress in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, convinced the Nazis that a ‘solution’ to the ‘Jewish problem’ needed to be organised sooner than had been originally envisaged.
That was a rhetorical question.
Do you know what the "final solution" is?
It's crazy watching so many Americans not see the parallels here.
Bloomberg is spinning it the democrat way. If you look closely, deportations of illegals will make the life of citizens better. You'll just need to consume other media channels.
You again seem very deeply confused. I think you are from one of the inferior countries where things like freedom of speech and rule of law don't quite exist. Nothing wrong with it, it's not a personal or moral failing. You just need to understand that "illegality" is something that needs determination in a court of law, not a random whim or statement of a Karen off the streets.
If you think random ICE karens's "statements" count, then I think you should have no problem accepting mine counts too. Let me declare kreetx is an illegal alien and a violent murderous pedophile. I hope you would not resist arrest. After all it has been declared so.
If you look closely, putting the Jews in camps will make the life of Germans better! you just need to consume other media channels.
1. The government has the right - and even the responsibility - to enforce the immigration laws.
2. The current administration is doing so far more violently and confrontationally than is needed.
Both are true. I can be in favor of enforcement of immigration laws and still be opposed to the way the administration is doing it.
Why not call them what they are? Concentration camps.
I think there is a hesitation to downplay what the Jews experienced by using the same name, even if it accurate. Maybe some of the same things are happening but it's not the same as the Jewish experience in Germany.
Personally I have no issue with calling them concentration camps but it does feel there needs to be a word to distinguish them from the camps of the Holocaust.
Getting ready for the elections?
Measles Has Now Begun To Infect Immigrant Detention Camps
~ https://www.techdirt.com/2026/02/04/measles-has-now-begun-to...Nothing funny about people in custody being infected by diseases. It would be funny if the fascists would contract it from other fascists.
Given the overlap of the fascists and antivaxers, it's likely they will spread it among themselves.
Flagged because people would rather put their head in the sand than to admit what's occurring in front of their eyes.
Republicans want to put people in camps without pesky commentary. Nothing new here.
From what I've understood, Trump was elected to get illegals out. It also seems that the crime rate is actually going down.
Crime rate has shot up violently. It just isn't being recorded right now. But it will be in future and the perpetrators dealt with, including if necessary by hanging.
Crime rate has been going down for 30 consecutive years (except during COVID). Immigrants (legal or otherwise) commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. "It seems" is doing a lot of work in your comment.
Gulag.
I think concentration camp is the more apt comparison.
One of Hitlers first act was to convert a series of warehouses, unused factories, empty hotels into makeshift camps (“wild camps”) which would set the stage for the eventual concentration camp system. This happened almost immediately after the appointment of Hitler as chancellor. He hadn’t become the Fuhrer yet.
To be specific, those warehouses were used to 'reform' political enemies for a few months (communists at first, then democrats and liberals). The point was visible torture, then letting the political opponent out and forbidding him to talk about what happened inside (despite leaving torture marks, removed nails etc).
Hitler learned of this method from the British during the Boer wars. Americans are just improvising more modern variants.
Wow, I never thought I’d see people employ whataboutism with Hitler. Guess we are living in a new world now.
I mean, its common knowledge that he was inspired to construct concentration camps by the British and the Belgians doing exactly the same in their colonies.
He thought he would get away with it, because they were also doing it - the difference is, they did it way over the horizon, out of sight, whereas he did it in his own backyard for all the world to see.