Tell HN: Apple Price Gouging

5 points | by kingkongjaffa 12 hours ago ago

9 comments

  • hooch 15 minutes ago ago

    It's just how the memory controllers work in Apple Silicon's unified memory architecture.

    You also get much higher memory bandwidth as you move up the scale, from 153GB/s at the bottom end to 546GB/s at the top end.

  • iwanttocomment 11 hours ago ago

    When I specced out my macbook pro M1 16gb it was entirely possible to get 32 and 64gb without any tie-in to CPU upgrades.

    You're misremembering. The Macbook Pro M1 (2020) supported a maximum of 16GB, and the base Mx chips have never been offered in a 64GB configuration.

    • rekabis 11 hours ago ago

      Even MacTracker, the Apple specifications database gold standard, confirms this.

      And they invariably point out where the official Apple specs fall short of real-world options, such as the RAM limit of the 2018 Mac Mini -- officially Apple says it’s 32Gb (and for the longest time even sites like Crucial.com offered only 2×16Gb sets for that model), but MacTracker very quickly pointed out that it can take 64Gb. IIRC this was right after iFixit did their teardown and realized that the CPU did not have a 32Gb memory limitation, and successfully booted that model with 64Gb.

      Now, from what I understand the M1 only allowed 16Gb as the max addressable memory - I dimly remember a video where someone tried to resolder with 32Gb of performance-identical chips that had twice the capacity, and it could still only see 16Gb of it - so it appears to be a hard limit either in the memory controller or as a direct feature of the CPU cores themselves.

  • u1hcw9nx 10 hours ago ago

    Price gouging is a wrong term to use for Apple laptops. You can call it price gouging or profiteering when someone increases the price of basic necessities after a natural disaster or a similar crisis. Then it's often wrong and harmful.

    There is no duopoly or monopoly in the laptop market. Apple computers are not "must-haves," and there are many cheaper alternatives. They are high-priced products—closer to luxury goods than essentials. Ultimately products are priced based on demand (what people are willing to pay) rather than just their production costs.

  • u1hcw9nx 12 hours ago ago

    RAM prices are high everywhere not just Apple.

    DDR5-6000 2x32GB prices have increased five fold. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

    AI clouds are eating all RAM available and increasing prices.

    • jsheard 11 hours ago ago

      True, but Apple is a weird case because they haven't actually raised their prices in response to the recent shortages. They were always this high, so their margins were enormous before.

    • verdverm 11 hours ago ago

      When I bought my Mac a few years back, their ram prices were 2-3x market price. If anything, they are competitive today

  • mpcsb 12 hours ago ago

    For the life of me, I can't get the fetish with apple machines. I mean, I get they are built very well, and it's all top tier, but the return on dollar spent is very dubious

    • verdverm 11 hours ago ago

      Having come from a Framework and Chromebook prior, their silicon is freaking fast by comparison.

      There are no laptops with performance and battery life that come close. No fans needed either (Mac air)