For the benefit of people who read only the headline and not the article:
The story here is that the US government captured Russia's energy weapon, which Russia has been using against US personnel for a decade, and tested it to determine what it does (it causes brain damage). This story does _not_ claim that the US has developed a weapon like this themselves.
It does claim the US went to great lengths to dismiss the victims for a decade, while being in possession of the device. That raises the question of what incentives the US would have to deny its existence. To me, that was the story.
It does claim the US went to great lengths to dismiss the victims for a decade. In 2024 it obtained a single device, started testing it on animals and achieved similar effects as experienced by the victims. The victims were then invited to the White House.
To me the question is actually, what changed to make them release the story now? Biden’s been out of office for a while now… it wasn’t anything his admin did. They could’ve continued gagging the victims, claiming it’s psychosomatic, and most of us would keep on believing that, because Occam’s razor.
Lots of similar reports came out during the Maduro raid. Same symptoms. Seems we demonstrated the capabilities we were hiding. OSINT experts already put the pieces together a month ago. So did our adversaries. Cat’s out of the bag, so no sense continuing to gaslight our wounded veterans.
We probably put this fucking thing in a plane instead of a backpack. Everything’s bigger in the USA, of course.
It's like cracking the Enigma during WWII. If you let the enemy know you've cracked it, and do the obvious thing and save the lives immediately in front of you, in the long run, more people are going to die.
So pretending that there are just some crazy people working in Cuba for as long as they can is better than "holy shit, Russia has an invisible weapon that turns people crazy".
The schizophrenics are getting more reasonable by the day. They ARE listening through your phone. There might actually be a government vehicle following you without identification with intent to abduct (ICE), and now they might actually be tormenting you with invisible energy beams.
A common hallucination and delusion is that someone is beaming thoughts into the afflicted's head, causing some to believe that there are "voice to skull" devices deployed to torment them.
Wasn't this something Nine Inch Nails tried at a concert during their ARG for Year Zero? They wanted to beam messages to specific audience members'. It just didn't work well.
they are listening to your thoughts too while nerds think data center boom is all about AGI or at least better AI porn. no, it's about scaling up surveillance
I spent a lot of time (as a former lit PhD student with an interest in narrative and identity) paying attention to the Q-related (and adjacent) stories.
On one hand, once folks are freed from orthodox thought, they might point out some very useful and interesting ideas about the world.
On the other hand, (assuming I just haven't figure out how to observe astral-projecting bodies, lumerians, the long-term benefits of consuming adrenochrome and gross manipulation of the electoral system) there are some significant differences between what the actual claims made by the Q-folk and what the actual documentation brings out.
Importantly, the Q folks have been horrifically wrong about a number of things as well. It wasn't hard to sort out the (usually fairly pedestrian) truths, and people were doing that work even when Q was in its heyday. Remember that the reality (as I understand it) that wealthy men do abusive things doesn't need a secret satanic cabal to explain it.
To claim the q folks were right is roughly (in my understanding) equivalent to claiming that the batshit crazy experiments done under programs like Midnight Climax actually led to "mind control" in the fine grained way that the folks paying for those programs speculated to be possible- that shit was dumb and anyone who has some moderate experience with psychedelics and any amount of maturity should be able to clock that without repeating the "experiments".
I was being sarcastic but i get your point. The trump admin is full of pedophiles but for years and years they were claiming they were going to unmask the “real” pedophiles. I meant that like qanon was talking about a massive conspiracy where pedophiles were running the gov. They are now though lol
Was anyone (besides cultists) under the impression that the man who would regularly walk into the Miss Teen USA pageant dressing rooms while young girls were undressing was anything other than a pedophile and pervert?
I recall that most of my centrist Republican friends and more "conservative" liberal friends actually thought he was a run-of-the-mill sex pest. Most of those folks have such a cynical view of the folks in power that misogyny seems to be "normal".
I mean, the DNC keeps having Bill Clinton speak at stuff, so clearly they are okay with that kind of behavior.
My understanding is that that massive column at the center of "real (tm) adult US politics)" didn't think either of those guys were doing the truely horrific things pointed to in the Epstein documents.
As a person who has paid a lot of attention to these attitudes over the last 20 years, reun of the mill Democrats thinking DT is a pedophile is something that didn't start until after Nov 2024 and most of the GOP folks I know (because I have fewer friends among that caste every year) still think he's just a "normal" sex pest and not, like, raping 11-year-olds (which I think is closer to the truth).
The parts that are not hearsay from anonymous sources, which basically means any paranoid story that the FBI still has to document, or blackmailers and grifters with plenty of holes and inconsistencies to their stories, are about about elites partying with 17 and above year olds who where otherwise active already in related "work". Still shady, but hardly what's being reported in the sensationalist coverage, which ranges from abductions and rings to acid baths for murdered victims.
I've read reports about Havana Syndrome before and remain thoroughly unconvinced. The locations vary wildly, the symptoms vary wildly and can be explained by normal medical phenomena in a way Occam would find more agreeable.
Look at their 'smoking gun' evidence here:
>He tracked down an email, what he considers a receipt, for services provided to the Russian government by a member of Unit 29155 for "potential capabilities of non-lethal acoustic weapons."
Acoustic crowd control weapons are not mysterious, there are people on YouTube building and testing them! American companies will sell them to any oppressive government around the world (I believe the ones used against Serbian protestors were American). Yet this description contradicts speculation about microwaves just a bit further down in the article.
Yup. There's no hard evidence and so it still comes off as mass psychosis / psychosomatic / placebo effect with wildly-varying "symptoms". Surely, there would be some sizable "weapon" consuming massive amounts of energy nearby that would be visible and captured on video if it were true.
I have been a skeptic of this until now. The explanation given by the researcher interviewed seems more than plausible to me.
It’s not the typical misunderstanding of non-ionizing radiation. The variable symptoms make a lot of sense, given that the weapon is basically just causing random electrical “failures” in the body. This was not a precision op. They saturated a location with this engineered interference signal, with the goal of maiming the target. No regard to whether their families and children would be collateral damage. It’s a war crime on multiple levels, on our soil. Then we presumably went and did the same thing during the Maduro raid at scale.
Just what we needed in 2026, more man-made horrors beyond our comprehension.
according to James C. Lin: "A high-power microwave pulse-generated acoustic pressure wave initiated in the brain and reverberating inside the head could bolster the initial pressure, causing injury of brain matter. Thus, it is conceivable that the microwave auditory effect or the microwave pulse-induced pressure shock wave inside the head could become a potentially lethal or nonlethal weapon against animals and humans." https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9366412
I wonder to what extent propaganda played a role in disbelieving their claims. US propaganda is very strong on the US being the best, having the most advanced technology, and that nations like Russia and China are inferior to us. So it's totally plausible to me that agents in the CIA would fall for that same propaganda: this technology doesn't exist, because, if it did, we would have invented it.
Propaganda can galvanize, but propaganda can also lull.
There is a plausible explanation for the reluctance of the US government to admit the authenticity of Havana Syndrome: the US military may have developed its own energy weapon that causes similar injuries and symptoms.
What is the evidence to support such a hypothesis? President Trump himself recently revealed the existence of a new secret energy weapon that was used to disable Nicolás Maduro's security team during the raid to capture the Venezuelan president [1].
According to one of Maduro's guards quoted by the New York Post: “At one point, they launched something; I don’t know how to describe it. It was like a very intense sound wave. Suddenly I felt like my head was exploding from the inside,” the witness said. "We all started bleeding from the nose. Some were vomiting blood. We fell to the ground, unable to move. We couldn’t even stand up after that sonic weapon — or whatever it was."
If the weapon exists, there is nothing to gain strategically and a potential upper hand to lose if the government were to reveal their knowledge or possession of it.
For the benefit of people who read only the headline and not the article:
The story here is that the US government captured Russia's energy weapon, which Russia has been using against US personnel for a decade, and tested it to determine what it does (it causes brain damage). This story does _not_ claim that the US has developed a weapon like this themselves.
It does claim the US went to great lengths to dismiss the victims for a decade, while being in possession of the device. That raises the question of what incentives the US would have to deny its existence. To me, that was the story.
This summary differs from CBS content.
It does claim the US went to great lengths to dismiss the victims for a decade. In 2024 it obtained a single device, started testing it on animals and achieved similar effects as experienced by the victims. The victims were then invited to the White House.
It doesn’t say they had it in their possession for the last decade. It says they tested it for about a year. Not clear when they would have gotten it.
2024.
source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-military-tested-device-that-...
To me the question is actually, what changed to make them release the story now? Biden’s been out of office for a while now… it wasn’t anything his admin did. They could’ve continued gagging the victims, claiming it’s psychosomatic, and most of us would keep on believing that, because Occam’s razor.
Lots of similar reports came out during the Maduro raid. Same symptoms. Seems we demonstrated the capabilities we were hiding. OSINT experts already put the pieces together a month ago. So did our adversaries. Cat’s out of the bag, so no sense continuing to gaslight our wounded veterans.
We probably put this fucking thing in a plane instead of a backpack. Everything’s bigger in the USA, of course.
It's like cracking the Enigma during WWII. If you let the enemy know you've cracked it, and do the obvious thing and save the lives immediately in front of you, in the long run, more people are going to die. So pretending that there are just some crazy people working in Cuba for as long as they can is better than "holy shit, Russia has an invisible weapon that turns people crazy".
The US has developed microwave weapons and you should assume that any opposing force's weapon when discovered will be copied and iterated upon
The effects aren't too far off from reports of the maduro raid, though my understanding is that the US just used a standard LRAD
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The schizophrenics are getting more reasonable by the day. They ARE listening through your phone. There might actually be a government vehicle following you without identification with intent to abduct (ICE), and now they might actually be tormenting you with invisible energy beams.
A common hallucination and delusion is that someone is beaming thoughts into the afflicted's head, causing some to believe that there are "voice to skull" devices deployed to torment them.
Well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect
Relevant Wired: https://www.wired.com/2008/05/army-removes-pa/
Wasn't this something Nine Inch Nails tried at a concert during their ARG for Year Zero? They wanted to beam messages to specific audience members'. It just didn't work well.
If its a CIA related conspiracy its easier to believe than not to. That agency has always managed to be up to no good.
James C. Lin work is even more compelling https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9366412 NASA deciphered thoughts back in 2003 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20030018896 and DARPA budget of 2008 mentions "silent talk" https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fiscal_Year_2010_DAR... FMCW radars used to recognize your emotions https://ietresearch.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1049...
I am curious whether wearing a tin foil hat would prevent this attack.
no, tin foil hat would not prevent such attack. and shielding has to be grounded too
You’re hearing about more by the day.
That’s the only change.
they are listening to your thoughts too while nerds think data center boom is all about AGI or at least better AI porn. no, it's about scaling up surveillance
I mean 2026 was the year the conspiracy theorists won. Like every unhinged theory he heard in the past about the ruling elite came true.
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I spent a lot of time (as a former lit PhD student with an interest in narrative and identity) paying attention to the Q-related (and adjacent) stories.
On one hand, once folks are freed from orthodox thought, they might point out some very useful and interesting ideas about the world.
On the other hand, (assuming I just haven't figure out how to observe astral-projecting bodies, lumerians, the long-term benefits of consuming adrenochrome and gross manipulation of the electoral system) there are some significant differences between what the actual claims made by the Q-folk and what the actual documentation brings out.
Importantly, the Q folks have been horrifically wrong about a number of things as well. It wasn't hard to sort out the (usually fairly pedestrian) truths, and people were doing that work even when Q was in its heyday. Remember that the reality (as I understand it) that wealthy men do abusive things doesn't need a secret satanic cabal to explain it.
To claim the q folks were right is roughly (in my understanding) equivalent to claiming that the batshit crazy experiments done under programs like Midnight Climax actually led to "mind control" in the fine grained way that the folks paying for those programs speculated to be possible- that shit was dumb and anyone who has some moderate experience with psychedelics and any amount of maturity should be able to clock that without repeating the "experiments".
I was being sarcastic but i get your point. The trump admin is full of pedophiles but for years and years they were claiming they were going to unmask the “real” pedophiles. I meant that like qanon was talking about a massive conspiracy where pedophiles were running the gov. They are now though lol
Fair enough- that's a relatable feeling.
Was anyone (besides cultists) under the impression that the man who would regularly walk into the Miss Teen USA pageant dressing rooms while young girls were undressing was anything other than a pedophile and pervert?
To take another sarcastic comment too literally-
I recall that most of my centrist Republican friends and more "conservative" liberal friends actually thought he was a run-of-the-mill sex pest. Most of those folks have such a cynical view of the folks in power that misogyny seems to be "normal".
I mean, the DNC keeps having Bill Clinton speak at stuff, so clearly they are okay with that kind of behavior.
My understanding is that that massive column at the center of "real (tm) adult US politics)" didn't think either of those guys were doing the truely horrific things pointed to in the Epstein documents.
As a person who has paid a lot of attention to these attitudes over the last 20 years, reun of the mill Democrats thinking DT is a pedophile is something that didn't start until after Nov 2024 and most of the GOP folks I know (because I have fewer friends among that caste every year) still think he's just a "normal" sex pest and not, like, raping 11-year-olds (which I think is closer to the truth).
Is there any actual evidence for this?
Have you read any of Epstein files, or any reporting about them?
Serious question - you need to give us where you currently are if you want a productive conversation.
The parts that are not hearsay from anonymous sources, which basically means any paranoid story that the FBI still has to document, or blackmailers and grifters with plenty of holes and inconsistencies to their stories, are about about elites partying with 17 and above year olds who where otherwise active already in related "work". Still shady, but hardly what's being reported in the sensationalist coverage, which ranges from abductions and rings to acid baths for murdered victims.
https://www.mtracey.net/p/we-need-to-talk-about-virginia
https://www.mtracey.net/p/epstein-survivors-refusing-questio...
https://www.mtracey.net/p/i-found-the-real-epstein-coverup
Don't forget the people claiming that Epstein ate people because of his weird emails about beef jerky.
Yeah or stupid jokes like this taken to mean actual torture:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1r1nuv7/ice_cream_...
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It would seem the best place to hide a real conspiracy is underneath a fake one.
I've read reports about Havana Syndrome before and remain thoroughly unconvinced. The locations vary wildly, the symptoms vary wildly and can be explained by normal medical phenomena in a way Occam would find more agreeable.
Look at their 'smoking gun' evidence here:
>He tracked down an email, what he considers a receipt, for services provided to the Russian government by a member of Unit 29155 for "potential capabilities of non-lethal acoustic weapons."
Acoustic crowd control weapons are not mysterious, there are people on YouTube building and testing them! American companies will sell them to any oppressive government around the world (I believe the ones used against Serbian protestors were American). Yet this description contradicts speculation about microwaves just a bit further down in the article.
According to the interview, this was a pulsed microwave weapon, not acoustic.
The report claims a single weapon of the kind was acquired in 2024 and tested on animals resulting in similar damage.
Yup. There's no hard evidence and so it still comes off as mass psychosis / psychosomatic / placebo effect with wildly-varying "symptoms". Surely, there would be some sizable "weapon" consuming massive amounts of energy nearby that would be visible and captured on video if it were true.
I have been a skeptic of this until now. The explanation given by the researcher interviewed seems more than plausible to me.
It’s not the typical misunderstanding of non-ionizing radiation. The variable symptoms make a lot of sense, given that the weapon is basically just causing random electrical “failures” in the body. This was not a precision op. They saturated a location with this engineered interference signal, with the goal of maiming the target. No regard to whether their families and children would be collateral damage. It’s a war crime on multiple levels, on our soil. Then we presumably went and did the same thing during the Maduro raid at scale.
Just what we needed in 2026, more man-made horrors beyond our comprehension.
article explains that it is not sizable
according to James C. Lin: "A high-power microwave pulse-generated acoustic pressure wave initiated in the brain and reverberating inside the head could bolster the initial pressure, causing injury of brain matter. Thus, it is conceivable that the microwave auditory effect or the microwave pulse-induced pressure shock wave inside the head could become a potentially lethal or nonlethal weapon against animals and humans." https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9366412
I wonder to what extent propaganda played a role in disbelieving their claims. US propaganda is very strong on the US being the best, having the most advanced technology, and that nations like Russia and China are inferior to us. So it's totally plausible to me that agents in the CIA would fall for that same propaganda: this technology doesn't exist, because, if it did, we would have invented it.
Propaganda can galvanize, but propaganda can also lull.
There is a plausible explanation for the reluctance of the US government to admit the authenticity of Havana Syndrome: the US military may have developed its own energy weapon that causes similar injuries and symptoms.
What is the evidence to support such a hypothesis? President Trump himself recently revealed the existence of a new secret energy weapon that was used to disable Nicolás Maduro's security team during the raid to capture the Venezuelan president [1].
According to one of Maduro's guards quoted by the New York Post: “At one point, they launched something; I don’t know how to describe it. It was like a very intense sound wave. Suddenly I felt like my head was exploding from the inside,” the witness said. "We all started bleeding from the nose. Some were vomiting blood. We fell to the ground, unable to move. We couldn’t even stand up after that sonic weapon — or whatever it was."
[1] https://nypost.com/2026/01/24/us-news/trump-reveals-to-the-p...
If the weapon exists, there is nothing to gain strategically and a potential upper hand to lose if the government were to reveal their knowledge or possession of it.
Was the the "Russian criminal network" the Chabad network?
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