I find this handy in Chrome occasionally. Just confirms that BeOS had the right windowing features all along.
Two more OS-level windowing features I'd like to see in browsers:
- OS X like Expose that shows a preview of all tabs for a window. That would help me find a tab visually.
- A command to override the meaning of fullscreen to take over the whole tab, rather than be truly fullscreen. That would let me use other window management features with maximum video size within the window.
I could've sworn firefox had an "all tabs" preview button that looked like 4 blocks in a grid, before the Australis era. Can't find any pictures/video footage of it in action however.
> Just confirms that BeOS had the right windowing features all along.
Which windowing features are you referring to? I recall with BeOS (and I assume Haiku) you could shift-click on the "yellow window tab" to move it along the top of windows, so you could have multiple windows stacked, but with their tabs visible on the top, but I don't recall a split-view.
If you want to switch back and forth between "these two web things side-by-side" and "something else" over and over, then in that case it's better than two full browser windows side-by-side because they come into the foreground and vice versa as a unit.
It is a bit of a continuation of the somewhat annoying trend of integrating features into apps that should be part of the window manager (tabs, in the first place, for example). This one is extra awkward because even windows (which has spent a lot of time behind on window management) can do two things side by side as the same unit now.
The same reason people like tmux or split-pane terminals? Seriously, the amount of negative spins this thread attracted for a useful and harmless feature like this is weird.
I just think it goes to show how little the window management of desktop OSes has improved over the years that desktop applications have had to up the ante...
I also think the differing behaviour between different apps implementing split panes (e.g. keyboard controls for creating/switching) is very annoying. Somtimes this flies in the face of any desktop's native window splitting or tab support as e.g. an app stops supporting multiple windows. For example, current browsers don't have a good way to configure usage without tabs, and at some point removed support for setting the window icon to the site's favicon.
Um, what makes this "just asking questions"-style dig "legitimate," while my point that nobody ever asks that about any other software is dismissed as "unproductive"? If anything, slapping labels on things without giving any reason at all is what's unproductive.
It means the content of two tabs is side by side but nothing else like the browser chrome. Haven't used this in Firefox yet, but I certainly find it useful for other apps like file browsers.
I've found myself wanting something like this since I switched to the new built-in vertical tabs, as it's a pain to get rid of them temporarily in side-by-side windows.
I've always wondered why Firefox don't grab hold of the "renegade" space they already occupy, with confidence through their existing users, an alternative and genuinely independent browser down to the engine. They are the market leaders of non-webkit, a huge strength among chromium copycat popup shops with identical wins and failures... or do I have to write the TV ad as well?
I feel confident to assume the majority of dedicated Firefox users will read and think of this feature release, et al most new features as of late, as trivial. The true benefit of using Firefox in itself isn't "ease of planning camping trips" but something much more.
This is great news! I am forced to use Chrone for work and this is the best new feature they’ve shipped in a while. So handy for video meetings where I also want to take notes or have have some other reference doc handy.
I have longed for this feature. For me, it is useful in many scenarios, such as:
* reading two distantly separated sections of a long article on two split tabs;
* reading a research paper on one tab and typing a question to StackExchange on the other;
* reading a scanned book written in French on one tab and using a dictionary on the other.
I never thought I'd say something nice about Google Chrome, but this feature was the only reason that I sometimes used that browser instead of Firefox. The split view is incredibly handy when you're looking at a web application and an observability tool for that web application at the same time.
I've been pretty happy with ditching tabs altogether. I don't get the idea of tabs. Desktop manager already has workspaces and windows, do I really need yet another abstraction ?
I use split view all the time, but with two browser windows.
I hope that isn't a simple drop down selector listing all tabs... feature might be a complete non-starter for some of us with a few too many open tabs.
Addons that expose your tab’s data to random strangers who might cash out when they get enough users, where the new owner is much less ethical? No thanks.
It's completely useless. Chrome had it first, and I already hated it there. Now when you rightclick, it takes the place of the "open in new tab" option that people have been using for ages.
Who comes up with these fooken bad decisions? And why does Firefox feel the need to copy every questionable idea that Chrome's dev team pushes out?
At this point, it would be better to just let users customize their own browser UI. The current situation is a complete mess.
And the new YouTube player... What a disaster. There are endless articles about performance metrics, first paint times, and how high the hiring bar is, but the end result just feels bad. All that hard work gets overshadowed by strange UI and UX choices that make the experience worse.
Meanwhile, regulators don't seem to step in, and companies like Google just keep going without much resistance.
Honestly, it feels like everything is moving in the wrong direction. So it's time to summon Godzilla or the aliens from The Abyss and let them rip.
I find this handy in Chrome occasionally. Just confirms that BeOS had the right windowing features all along.
Two more OS-level windowing features I'd like to see in browsers:
- OS X like Expose that shows a preview of all tabs for a window. That would help me find a tab visually.
- A command to override the meaning of fullscreen to take over the whole tab, rather than be truly fullscreen. That would let me use other window management features with maximum video size within the window.
I could've sworn firefox had an "all tabs" preview button that looked like 4 blocks in a grid, before the Australis era. Can't find any pictures/video footage of it in action however.
Best I could find is: https://www.askvg.com/how-to-enable-ie-like-quick-tabs-featu... But I'm not sure if this landed, or if it ended up functioning differently.
i could have sworn the same, at least as an extension.
i just found this extension, but that's brand new: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ff-tab-expos%...
Tab groups used to do that
> Just confirms that BeOS had the right windowing features all along.
Which windowing features are you referring to? I recall with BeOS (and I assume Haiku) you could shift-click on the "yellow window tab" to move it along the top of windows, so you could have multiple windows stacked, but with their tabs visible on the top, but I don't recall a split-view.
What makes this better than having two full browser windows side by side?
If you want to switch back and forth between "these two web things side-by-side" and "something else" over and over, then in that case it's better than two full browser windows side-by-side because they come into the foreground and vice versa as a unit.
It is a bit of a continuation of the somewhat annoying trend of integrating features into apps that should be part of the window manager (tabs, in the first place, for example). This one is extra awkward because even windows (which has spent a lot of time behind on window management) can do two things side by side as the same unit now.
The same reason people like tmux or split-pane terminals? Seriously, the amount of negative spins this thread attracted for a useful and harmless feature like this is weird.
I just think it goes to show how little the window management of desktop OSes has improved over the years that desktop applications have had to up the ante...
I also think the differing behaviour between different apps implementing split panes (e.g. keyboard controls for creating/switching) is very annoying. Somtimes this flies in the face of any desktop's native window splitting or tab support as e.g. an app stops supporting multiple windows. For example, current browsers don't have a good way to configure usage without tabs, and at some point removed support for setting the window icon to the site's favicon.
Perhaps. Maybe iTerm's recent browser plugin, though useful, is a symptom of that lack of desktop UI progress.
Labeling a legitimate question as “negative” while not really answering it is unproductive.
Um, what makes this "just asking questions"-style dig "legitimate," while my point that nobody ever asks that about any other software is dismissed as "unproductive"? If anything, slapping labels on things without giving any reason at all is what's unproductive.
It means the content of two tabs is side by side but nothing else like the browser chrome. Haven't used this in Firefox yet, but I certainly find it useful for other apps like file browsers.
Huh? There's actually more stuff in the way than if you used two windows since the divider is actually larger than the gap between windows is.
The only way this saves on space is if you're using vertical tabs.
Whatever? I too prefer two windows side by side and I don't see this feature useful, but if others do, that's great.
Try it out. It is ok to not like it.
I've found myself wanting something like this since I switched to the new built-in vertical tabs, as it's a pain to get rid of them temporarily in side-by-side windows.
The only place I've found it useful is when screen sharing and I have to show two tabs side by side, but I don't want to share my entire desktop.
I've always wondered why Firefox don't grab hold of the "renegade" space they already occupy, with confidence through their existing users, an alternative and genuinely independent browser down to the engine. They are the market leaders of non-webkit, a huge strength among chromium copycat popup shops with identical wins and failures... or do I have to write the TV ad as well?
I feel confident to assume the majority of dedicated Firefox users will read and think of this feature release, et al most new features as of late, as trivial. The true benefit of using Firefox in itself isn't "ease of planning camping trips" but something much more.
This is great news! I am forced to use Chrone for work and this is the best new feature they’ve shipped in a while. So handy for video meetings where I also want to take notes or have have some other reference doc handy.
I’m actually glad to see this. We have been asking Firefox to build features, instead of AI garbage, and this may be something I didn’t know I wanted.
Looks like default-off (phew), unlike Chrome. A feature no-one asked for. Especially in FF where memory is well managed.
I have longed for this feature. For me, it is useful in many scenarios, such as:
I never thought I'd say something nice about Google Chrome, but this feature was the only reason that I sometimes used that browser instead of Firefox. The split view is incredibly handy when you're looking at a web application and an observability tool for that web application at the same time.
I might not have asked for it (because it never occurred to me) but I'm actually interested in trying it.
I've been pretty happy with ditching tabs altogether. I don't get the idea of tabs. Desktop manager already has workspaces and windows, do I really need yet another abstraction ?
I use split view all the time, but with two browser windows.
what if you need 300 web pages open?
Am I the only upset that browsers have to reinvent window management?
I hope that isn't a simple drop down selector listing all tabs... feature might be a complete non-starter for some of us with a few too many open tabs.
I get this with any browser, with DWM + fullscreen mode.
Firefox finally added the feature that Chrome copied from Vivaldi.
Firefox introducing a feature which addons handled quite easily and much better in previous versions.
Addons that expose your tab’s data to random strangers who might cash out when they get enough users, where the new owner is much less ethical? No thanks.
Which addons? Better how? Are they still available? Do you have experience with them? Have you used the new feature as well?
It's completely useless. Chrome had it first, and I already hated it there. Now when you rightclick, it takes the place of the "open in new tab" option that people have been using for ages.
Who comes up with these fooken bad decisions? And why does Firefox feel the need to copy every questionable idea that Chrome's dev team pushes out?
At this point, it would be better to just let users customize their own browser UI. The current situation is a complete mess.
And the new YouTube player... What a disaster. There are endless articles about performance metrics, first paint times, and how high the hiring bar is, but the end result just feels bad. All that hard work gets overshadowed by strange UI and UX choices that make the experience worse.
Meanwhile, regulators don't seem to step in, and companies like Google just keep going without much resistance.
Honestly, it feels like everything is moving in the wrong direction. So it's time to summon Godzilla or the aliens from The Abyss and let them rip.
Agreed! Destroyed muscle memory, but maybe now it brings parity to chrome and firefox, so those of us who have to use both have an easier time.
Agreed, it's more like "Two tabs side by side, right when you least expect it".
I'm sure someone wants this, but for me it's mostly a mis-click.