41 comments

  • krunck a day ago ago

    These are projects designed to serve the US military in it's future wars against China and other "threats". Note that "other threats" includes the American citizenry. You'll be - probably already are - targets of continual AI propaganda and manipulation to keep you compliant and keep paying your taxes to support this waste.

    • RiverCrochet a day ago ago

      When AI takes all jobs, how are the taxes gonna be paid?

      • rchaud a day ago ago

        Same way it always has for empires throughout history - expropriating land and resources from the weak and giving it to the strong. And of course, borrowing money to finance more looting and pillaging.

      • triceratops a day ago ago

        If AI does all the work, why even collect taxes?

        • TitaRusell a day ago ago

          Why are we still keeping these useless "citizens" around?

          • ElevenLathe 9 hours ago ago

            Once they're fully depreciated we can use our ICE gulags to turn them into dog food. A big savings for imperial shareholders!

        • estimator7292 a day ago ago

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      • collingreen a day ago ago

        They aren't. Nobody in power is so dumb they haven't thought of this yet - the scary idea is that those people in power don't think this is a problem, which implies the normal folk like us are either on our own or actively exterminated.

        If the billionaire class doesn't think they need taxes or a workforce then what does that look like? If the population goes from 8B to like 5K + robots for the drudgery then all the problems go away - no more war, no more climate change, no famine, no large logistics problems.

        I continually worry that these people in power see the rest of us as a nuisance to optimize away.

        • RiverCrochet a day ago ago

          Why can't this happen now without AI?

          - Certainly the current population level isn't needed to support the current number of billionaires. Isn't there about 1000 right now? I probably eat more than 2 or 3 of them.

          - What happens in 100 years when the billionaires have kids and their kids have kids?

          • collingreen a day ago ago

            Yeah I don't think AI is required for above, it just pushes the question of what's going to happen if huge swaths of jobs go away. Parent asked who is going to pay taxes in that world. I'm simply saying there's a version of this where "they" don't care because there is no intention to keep the current social order of a large tax paying lower and middle class.

          • floren 21 hours ago ago

            > Certainly the current population level isn't needed to support the current number of billionaires. Isn't there about 1000 right now? I probably eat more than 2 or 3 of them.

            That's a good attitude, if we all set out to eat more than 2 or 3 billionaires they'll be in our stomachs and out of our hair before you know it!

    • salemh a day ago ago

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  • pzxc a day ago ago

    The data center project is by Shark Tank investor Kevin O'Leary and will consume 9GW, more power than the entire State of Utah currently consumes

    • nradov a day ago ago

      It's not going to consume 9GW because it won't actually be built. There is no financing. The entire project is a scam.

      https://youtu.be/RWoV0EXxa7c

      • snypher a day ago ago

        >The entire project is a scam.

        OP said that already when they mentioned Kevin O'Leary.

      • SilverElfin a day ago ago

        It may still be built by someone else. Many PE firms are starting to built land portfolios for where a data center can be easily built. So the current owners of the project could just resell it to those with financing.

    • Arnt a day ago ago

      Ah, when your write things like that, do you really think they'll come true?

      If no: why do you write them?

      • pzxc a day ago ago

        Yes, I really think the data center will consume that much power because that's the design

        Yes, I really think that it will get built, because the people building data centers are throwing money/favors at politicians to get them approved

        • Arnt 4 hours ago ago

          The size of the building applied for is generally weakly related to the effort required for the application.

          If you have some land, getting approval to build six buildings is often not much more work than getting approval to build one. So why not apply for six even if you only have a tenant for one. If it's the same amount of paperwork and the land is cheap (maybe you can lease the land to the farmer you bought it from).

          This doesn't apply in places where land is expensive, of course. Central Amsterdam, downtown Manhattan, etc. In places like that you'd want to use your building permits PDQ.

  • water-data-dude a day ago ago

    "O’Leary said the extra electricity demand won’t raise residents’ energy bills as new gas-fired generation will power the facility."

    I really, really doubt this.

    • AnimalMuppet 4 hours ago ago

      So it will raise their gas bills, not their electricity bills. That's not much of an improvement...

  • Ancalagon a day ago ago

    This feels insane. Does this feel insane to others?

    • em-bee a day ago ago

      when i imagined huge data centers i was thinking the size of a football stadium, one like that for each AI business. twice the size of manhattan goes way beyond i ever imagined. the scene of skynet coming online flashed before my eyes when i read about the size.

  • rolph a day ago ago

    heres a FAQ re:the site:

    https://www.boxeldercountyut.gov/647/Stratos-Project-Fact-Sh...

    heres a site mapfromthe FAQ:

    https://www.boxeldercountyut.gov/644/Stratos-Project-Map

    it strikes me that a swath of the salt ridge adjacent to the salt lake bed is desired.

    the proximity to current naturalgas distribution infra, suggests a mulligan,made out of natural gas welling.

    if there is a large salt dome and gas deposit, theres the revenue and free utilities.

    • HeyLaughingBoy a day ago ago

      That URL makes me shudder: an entire county full of Box Elder bugs!

  • ChrisArchitect a day ago ago

    Previously:

    Utah greenlights 9GW AI campus using over twice state electricity

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47932941

    Utah data center: Projected daily heat equivalent to 23 atomic bombs

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48058221

  • SilverElfin a day ago ago

    They should be furious. These tech companies are doing whatever they want, without a care for how it impacts others. SpaceX does it by polluting night skies. The others do it by polluting the planet. Things like light pollution and noise pollution really do matter. But it’s also a lot more direct than that, like people whose water supply loses pressure (https://www.gadgetreview.com/data-center-drains-30-million-g...) or turns brown (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48111599) after a data center is built near them.

    • astrange a day ago ago

      Entirely fake. Or rather, the water issue is caused by there being /a construction project/, not because it's a data center.

  • tt24 a day ago ago

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    • collingreen a day ago ago

      After watching everything the luddites predicted come true this insult might not hit like you want it to.

      • tt24 a day ago ago

        Like what?

        • collingreen a day ago ago

          Like artisan families unable to continue the craft. Like factories funneling community wealth into the hands of a few capital holders. Like dangerous working conditions maiming workers and children. Like a disenfranchisement of skilled labor leading to worse wages, worse hours, and less prosperity.

          I'm no expert on the luddites but these are the standard things the movement was saying, from my laypersons colloquial knowledge.

          • tt24 a day ago ago

            > Like artisan families unable to continue the craft

            Not sure what this is referencing

            > Like factories funneling community wealth into the hands of a few capital holders.

            Idk how this relates to present day

            > Like dangerous working conditions maiming workers and children

            same

            > Like a disenfranchisement of skilled labor leading to worse wages, worse hours, and less prosperity.

            Same

            > Like a disenfranchisement of skilled labor leading to worse wages, worse hours, and less prosperity.

            Same. No evidence for any of this

    • toasty228 a day ago ago

      Still better than techno fanatics who think "everything new is progress" and "progress is always good"

      • tt24 a day ago ago

        Disagree

    • explodes a day ago ago

      They have a right to be concerned about increasing power bills

      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-elec...

      They have a right, if not an obligation, to be concerned about water consumption and pollution, especially in an already drought stricken area, near a drying, poisonous lake.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8gy7lv448o

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/jersey-residents-cant-ev...

      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/05/us/great-salt-lake-utah.h...

      They have a pretty good reason to be upset about adding an extreme amount of heat and CO2 in an area where the tourism for skiing and snowboarding plays a huge role in tourism for the nearby counties, despite lowest snowpacks on record year over year.

      https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/box-elder-data-cente...

      https://www.ksl.com/article/51477142/utah-breaks-record-for-...

      Also as a citizen, I would be furious is my elected officials ignored the locals in favor of 2 other officials' pressure and opinions.

      https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/box-elder-county-com...

      https://www.aol.com/news/ve-never-felt-threatened-box-033934...

      • tt24 a day ago ago

        Get mad at power plants not producing more power then

        > They have a right, if not an obligation, to be concerned about water consumption and pollution, especially in an already drought stricken area, near a drying, poisonous lake.

        Same

        > They have a pretty good reason to be upset about adding an extreme amount of heat and CO2 in an area where the tourism for skiing and snowboarding plays a huge role in tourism for the nearby counties, despite lowest snowpacks on record year over year.

        How do they add heat and co2? Just produce more clean energy lol

        > Also as a citizen, I would be furious is my elected officials ignored the locals in favor of 2 other officials' pressure and opinions.

        Why should locals have any say whether I buy some land and build a building that houses computers in it? I'd prefer officials ignore local's opinions as much as possible, we'd have more housing and cheaper compute by now

    • estimator7292 a day ago ago

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