91 comments

  • neilv 3 hours ago ago

    Impressive curation effort. One comment: at least a few of the examples in the gallery seem to be of the "last, greatest" version, which actually isn't necessarily the greatest, and definitely not the most interesting.

    For example, the "Domain_OS SR10.4 - 01 VUE desktop" is a bit confusing, and may cause people to miss actual DomainOS.

    Apollo DomainOS (or Domain/IX, or simply Domain) had many unique and interesting things about it, but disappeared soon after being acquired by HP. It looked more like it might look if you took a programmer who had mostly only seen text terminals, and gave them a megapixel display with pixel framebuffer, a mouse, and the freedom to design the keyboard hardware, and told them to make what they would want to use.

    VUE (around when the Unix workstation vendors collaborated on standarding on a common desktop environment) was for HP-UX , which was a very different operating system, and entirely different user experience. More of an early attempt at let's give non-power-users an accessible computer with virtual desktops and everything.

    Similarly, Solaris had innovative OpenWindows (including but not limited to a networkable display system based on PostScript) before they got the common desktop environment.

    SunOS 4.x (retronym "Solaris 1.x") and earlier could run the earlier SunView environment, which was more like monochrome early Mac than the later Open Look look and feel of OpenWindows.

  • eichin 4 hours ago ago

    I hadn't realized Domain/OS emulation was viable these days. It's one of the few systems that has actually "lost" features - the terminal-window-like thing (called pads, I think?) when in line mode had a dividing line at the bottom where your unconsumed typeahead was visible and you could continue to edit it until it got read - not just one line, the entire unconsumed input. (Not that it's a particularly desirable feature - it's just one that I'm pretty sure you can't implement with ptys...)

    • bilegeek 2 hours ago ago

      Unfortunately, pre-Domain/OS AEGIS is basically lost. One person popped up with talk of imaging their 9.6 floppies, but I haven't seen anything since then.

      [1]https://www.facebook.com/groups/retrocomputers/posts/7062462...

      • neilv an hour ago ago

        I wonder whether this could still pop up at estate sales, or when a retiree is cleaning out their garage.

        Not all gear got junked. When I was a teen intern, I got some obsolete Apollos (and 2 logic analyzers and a terminal) from my employer, and other people were also bringing home gear the company "sold" them.

        Somewhere, there might well be a industry or university sysadmin or programmer who brought home a box of old QIC tapes, and one of them says "AEGIS" on the label, and it's in a a garage/attic.

        Also, rumor has it that at one point Boeing physically archived at least one Apollo network, because they apparently take documentation integrity extremely seriously. If that's true, they might have an engineering librarian or someone who could take an interest in making sure any versions of Aegis/Domain they need (and have preserved media for) can run on emulators or something?

    • compsciphd 3 hours ago ago

      why could you not implement it as ptys.

      Currently the terminal doesn't really process input itself, it just gives the program running the "raw" fd.

      If instead the terminal gave the processes a pipe (for instance) and consumed all the pty input itself (and its end of the pipe being a buffer of that content), why wouldn't it be the same?

    • glhaynes 3 hours ago ago

      What an amazingly goofy (but also kinda maybe makes sense?) feature!

  • simonh 2 hours ago ago

    No Pick?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system

    My first actual job was working for a local health authority here in the UK, and they had a Pick computer running some database application thing, I think to do with accounting. I had to run the backups. Sorry to be a whinger, I don't mean to belittle the monumental amount of work.

    • HeyLaughingBoy 21 minutes ago ago

      Ha. My first SW job interview was for a programmer on a Pick system at some small company in Manhattan. I think they were involved in publishing or something. Anyway, the salary they offered was so pitifully low all I could do was politely decline. Was too young to even know that I could negotiate.

    • patja 31 minutes ago ago

      Similar experience here. I worked on an ERP system for a chemical distributor that ran on 5 Honeywell Ultimate systems distributed across the US. General ledger, order management, warehouse order pick lists, chemical recipes, MSDS data, inventory, etc. We synced database updates every night, and once a month someone had to spend the night in the datacenter swapping 9 track tapes for backups.

      I loved working in Pick BASIC on those systems. So much you could do with "dict items"

    • CalRobert an hour ago ago

      What a legendary name for the developer.

  • a1o 5 hours ago ago

    Do you have that Windows 3.1 version that came with the Compaq that had the DE that was like a paper folder instead of an empty desktop, and that you could put the icons in the different tabs of the paper folder?

    • simianpirate 4 hours ago ago

      I believe you are speaking of Tabworks?

      • a1o 2 hours ago ago

        I had to Google and it does look like it, I remember the computer would boot into it and it also had space for a few (three?) icons outside the tabs (like in the “desktop”). It was a cool interface!

    • Avamander 4 hours ago ago

      Your comment reminds me of HP's obscure EFI OS called QuickLook. I would guess there are a lot of obscure OSs out there.

    • andreww591 4 hours ago ago

      I don't think I've heard of an alternate shell/launcher like that before. Do you remember what it was called?

  • liquidise 3 hours ago ago

    This triggered a rabbit hole search that had me rediscover Packard Bell Navigator[1]. The nostalgia and joy this page brings me is hard to describe. I hope everyone remembers their formative tech journey so fondly.

    1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_Bell_Navigator

    • MisterTea an hour ago ago

      Oh, this made me dig up a memory: What was that skeuomorphic music player Packard Bell would bundle with Windows 3.1? It looked like a stack of stereo equipment with a CD player, MIDI player and wav player/recorder. When I was a kid I loved how it looked like a stereo system and grabbed a copy from a friend. I also remember being greatly disappointing when it would not run on Windows 95.

    • AlecSchueler 3 hours ago ago

      I never experienced it but somehow I still feel nostalgic for it. For all we've gained there's so much we've lost as well, I'm sad my kids won't grow up with anything like this.

      • CalRobert an hour ago ago

        For all we've gained... the social media site I have the healthiest relationship with is basically just text and would run fine on a machine from 1998. Sure, some parts of modernity are nice (I don't miss having to call taxi companies) but I could do without a lot of it.

      • Keyframe 3 hours ago ago

        The maturity brought upon us homogenized experience. 90's user interfaces were something else, man.

    • quietfox 3 hours ago ago

      Oh this is that this was called. A long time ago, like in Googles earlier stages, I tried so hard to find this from my memory, but I failed and over the years forgot about it. Thanks for bringing it up again.

  • justmarc 2 hours ago ago

    An amazing, herculean effort! thumbs up to Andrew

    This preservation of old OS is important.

    Spread the word, this needs to reach anyone who's interested in it.

  • wattzee an hour ago ago

    How can I speak with the heavens if you don't have temple OS.

  • SkiFire13 4 hours ago ago

    Is there a way to see a list of the operating systems included without having to download and run the tool?

    • kmoser 4 minutes ago ago

      It took me a few minutes to determine that this is basically software that one can download, not a website that showcases screenshots from all those OSes. A search feature would be great, or even just a text list of all included OSes.

      I'm also wondering whether/how they include OSes from devices that VICE already emulates, since that could save some work if they want to include OSes of Commodore devices.

    • cf100clunk 4 hours ago ago

      I hope so, and also that it is a plain black-and-white list.

      • VLM 2 hours ago ago

        I can't figure out how to find a list and I believe that's intentional to avoid simplistic copyright search and takedown type of problems. It is aggravating how little information is available on the website.

        1) I run my own systems in emulation and its always educational to see how other people handle configuration and sysadmin type problems. Much like programmers reading other programmer's code for educational purposes.

        2) I have a genuine philosophical question which it appears I cannot answer by any means simpler than running it and trying it. Similar to the halting problem LOL. I wonder how the project handles operating systems like MVS/360 where there exists a perfectly good 1960s installation (which I have installed by hand from tape for the experience) however no one uses that IRL because the various MVS Turnkey projects provide seemingly infinite debugged and dependency organized patch sets. There's quite a difference between trying to white knuckle a homemade bare basic MVS/360 from the 1960s vs "MVS Turnkey 4" which basically just works out of the box.

        Another example of #2 above is there's DEC PDP-8 OS-8 which technically boots... but the most common distro had a non-working but trivially fixable FORTRAN compiler (IIRC the runtime package filename was wrong or something similar). There's a lot of fun customization.

        Another example of #2 above is I wonder how the author handles RSX-11M, distribute the ancient unpatched unmodified OS from DEC or ship something like the Billquist distro, or does the author ship the PiDP-11 RSX-11M (or is PiDP-11 shipping the Billquist RSX-11 distro now?)

        I guess for people not into retrocomputing it would be like claiming some rando RedHat .iso from the 90s is "The" Linux operating system. Well, its "a" linux from one instant in time... Likewise there seems to be no "The" MVS/360 operating system there's a zillion possible local installs of all capability levels and eras, all very different and fun.

  • StayTrue 3 hours ago ago

    Reminds me of the alt.sysadmin.recovery canonical list of operating systems that suck.

    https://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/humor/Unix/os-suck.html

    • yard2010 2 hours ago ago

      > NextStep sucks, but it's pretty.

      macOS sucks, but it's pretty

    • bkircher an hour ago ago

      Linux sucks differently every time a kernel is released.

  • ike____________ 7 minutes ago ago

    I think something got into my eye.

  • nonamenoslogan 3 hours ago ago

    This is stellar. I've been doing this for a few years myself, but I thought I was killing it with like 70ish OSs. Thank you for all your work!

    • drittich an hour ago ago

      And I thought I was killing it just saving some install disk images!

  • nlitsme 4 hours ago ago

    quite a decent collection. and actual working osses.

    one that i noticed missing: Novell Netware, I spent several years in de 90s developing software for it. It was the main office network server software on those days.

    3.x, 4.x ran on relatively regular 32-bit PC server hardware. 2.x ran on the 80286 in protected mode, the only OS I know which did that.

    Copies can be found at archive.org.

    • whartung 44 minutes ago ago

      Mind, I never used Netware.

      But, originally wasn't it mostly a network system to support network printers and file systems?

      BTRIEVE would run on top of that. But, as I understand it, Netware wasn't required. They just went together really well.

      Finally, especially with Netware 386, they supported "NLMs". "Netware Loadable Modules". This was what let you deploy applications to the network server. Some databases ported to that I believe. I think Informix had a NLM version of Informix OnLine.

      So, to me, early Netware seemed more an interesting network utility more so than what I, at least, would consider an "OS". Perhaps it was an OS, but just sealed off. At least until NLMs arrived, making the system more extensible.

      I have no idea what facilities were available to NLMs, or how they were developed.

      • davidgnz 20 minutes ago ago

        I think NLMs are effectively kernel modules. No memory protection, and only cooperative multitasking. So I doubt there were much in the way of limits on what an NLM could do.

        I think they were usually developed in C. Metrowerks had a compiler that could build them, and Open Watcom can still do so as well.

    • MisterTea an hour ago ago

      > 3.x, 4.x ran on relatively regular 32-bit PC server hardware. 2.x ran on the 80286 in protected mode, the only OS I know which did that.

      My friends father worked for a shipping company and their office ran off a 286 Netware server until the early 2000's. It was a big white label tower with classic orange monochrome monitor and large Epson dot matrix printer with tractor feed paper.

  • jzer0cool an hour ago ago

    For those experience with some of these OS, what might be something to explore (try) on these OS for some learning objective. Any call outs feature wise?

  • HeyLaughingBoy 19 minutes ago ago

    Searched, but could not find OS/9.

    [edit] No, found it!

  • DrBurrito 34 minutes ago ago

    Not a single OS/2 screenshot..

  • semireg 2 hours ago ago

    My first operating system and GUI was GEOS on the Commodore 64. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)

  • Evidlo 2 hours ago ago

    I would suggest to crop your screenshots down to the OS being featured. It's a bit confusing to see a picture labeled as IBM AIX but then see GNOME 2 window decorations everywhere.

  • pfcd 4 hours ago ago

    Also might be of interest: http://www.typewritten.org/

  • NikolaNovak 2 hours ago ago

    Pardon a simple question - this implies nested virtualization, or is the second step emulation?

    The download is a Linux VM, gotcha.

    Are other OS-s nested virtual machines inside that Linux VM, or emulators (in which case, holly mackerel, that is even more impressive :O... and also why??).

    Readme seems to imply it's emulators, but it also uses the words "virtual/virtualization" or "VM images" liberally sprinkled.

    • gwynforthewyn 2 hours ago ago

      I imagine the author's using OpenSIMH (https://opensimh.org) or something similar, so it'd be an emulated CPU running the userlands.

      I have a container that runs a 4.3 BSD userland using opensimh; it's not super hard to set up, just takes a bit of patience and willingness to learn how opensimh works.

  • salted-cacao an hour ago ago

    Some of these are runnable in the browser, for example here: https://copy.sh/v86/

  • cortesoft 3 hours ago ago

    I just love passion projects like this. One person does a ton of work because they care about the thing, and then shares it with the world so everyone can enjoy it.

  • anthk 14 minutes ago ago

    HeliOS and transputers is one of the most interesting systems ever; if you use Golang and/or know 9front and concurrency you'll be at home, because it was concurrent and multicore literally by design where the CPU 'cores' synced themselves with messages.

    https://www.atarimagazines.com/startv4n4/transputer.html

    They were pretty much ahead of time with multiprocessing.

  • erickhill 3 hours ago ago

    The rarest possible choice for Amiga (Amiga UNIX) represented. Curious thing to do. Fun project site either way.

  • sdbillin 4 hours ago ago

    Could really do with a torrent. 120GB at 3MB/sec...

    • dmitrygr 2 hours ago ago

      If my download ever finishes i'll spin up a torrent.

      So far on retry/resume #11, 62.4/120GB done (i am live updating this comment as long as i can)

    • Teever 3 hours ago ago

      Yeah I tried to tell him that the other day… I think he under estimated the popularity that this would have on HN and thought that cloudflare would be able to handle it

  • rogster 2 hours ago ago

    This is wonderful. I'm looking forward to looking thru it properly. My earliest "real computer" memories are VAX/VMS and SunTools...

    • whartung 41 minutes ago ago

      I wrote a SunTools front end to a simulation hosted on a VAX. I don't recall how we moved the data back and forth (serial port of some kind, most likely). I also can't recall "what it was like using SunTools and SunView". Just that, whatever or however it was done, I managed to get it to work. :)

  • llsf 2 hours ago ago

    THANK YOU!

    This is a treasure trove. And glad you made the whole museum downloadable, so this treasure does not get lost.

  • delichon 3 hours ago ago

    I don't see HAL or WOPR or Skynet or GLaDOS.

  • TrackerFF 3 hours ago ago

    Just a couple of years ago I worked for a client who had a computer with Solaris 2.x running. It was quite a critical piece in the system.

  • jschveibinz 3 hours ago ago

    VMS? I didn't see it listed.

  • Narishma 2 hours ago ago

    Scrolling is extremely laggy.

  • sagarp an hour ago ago

    Where's Microsoft Bob?

    • Someone an hour ago ago

      That wasn’t an operating system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob:

      “Microsoft Bob was a Microsoft software product intended to provide a more user-friendly interface for the Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and Windows NT operating systems, supplanting the Windows Program Manager.“

  • kingleopold 2 hours ago ago

    Great work! please just offer dark mode

  • dchftcs 3 hours ago ago

    I'd love to go back to the 90s and live it again.

    • dfxm12 3 hours ago ago

      A Mister does a good job of recreating period appropriate load times and quirks. You can put it in whatever old computer case you're most nostalgic for, connect an old CRT monitor and most peripherals should have some USB converter if necessary.

  • kramit1288 3 hours ago ago

    quite impressive, how did you collected? just find images online or you actually have all of these OS.

  • tankenmate 3 hours ago ago

    TENEX and TOPS-20 would be nice

    • iberator 2 hours ago ago

      tops20 is avalible to use at sdf.org :)

  • cf100clunk 3 hours ago ago

    Hug of death? Error code 522 on downloads.

  • strrl 3 hours ago ago

    I didn't see ryOS

  • ChrisArchitect 4 hours ago ago
  • AnimalMuppet 4 hours ago ago

    Wow. That was a bit of nostalgia, just to read some of the names.

    • juvoly 4 hours ago ago

      Yeah! Browsing through the screenshots truly feels like watching vintage porn.

      • hoansdz 4 hours ago ago

        You can only view the operating system, you can't view those websites again, haha.

  • newer_vienna 4 hours ago ago

    Is TempleOS in here?

    • xstas1 2 hours ago ago

      I ran to the comments with this question

    • TheSkyHasEyes 4 hours ago ago
      • ktm5j 4 hours ago ago

        That doesn't answer his question.. looks like there isn't a comprehensive list of what's actually included. Maybe for legal reasons but that's just a guess.

        • newer_vienna 3 hours ago ago

          Maybe it falls under the "Various hobby/alternative OSes up to some very recent ones" category. I'm not going to download a one hundred gigabyte file to find out though...

          • ktm5j 44 minutes ago ago

            I knoow right?! Wonder how much bandwidth they user per month and how much it costs them.

        • forinti 3 hours ago ago

          Or a search option. That would be nice.

    • nonamenoslogan 3 hours ago ago
    • f311a 4 hours ago ago

      Could not find it.

      • ZebusJesus 4 hours ago ago

        Blasphemy, all shall know the power of Holy-C! Sad that he struggled in life like he did and the way it ended, he was a brilliant programmer.

        • leoxiv 2 hours ago ago

          It's still good that his memory lives on though. Even in communities where technology isn't the focus I still see mentions of him from time to time.

  • Teever 4 hours ago ago

    Very neat to see this project come to completion Andreww.

    Are there any any operating systems that you'd like to add to the collection but haven't been able to find?

    Maybe someone here at HN could help with that.

  • theYipster 4 hours ago ago

    This is awesome.

  • prettyjosn 3 hours ago ago

    This is great