8 comments

  • bm3719 12 hours ago ago

    Israel has been at this for awhile. One problem with engaging an enemy is that you enter an interplay, a dialectic if you will, with them. As you shape them, so may they do the same to you. Certainly war has shaped Israeli society, and being able to accommodate the nature of their enemy has been not just something that would happen, but also a necessity of survival. Note that this also works in the other direction. By now, their enemy cannot be pure savage and them pure civilization, for this dialectic is a violent progression towards a (perhaps distant) barycenter.

    So, those of us who look upon Isreal in their current state in moral arbitration should consider keeping this in mind. Their current state of being is not simply innate to themselves, rather some kind of dialectic sublation of them and the enemy. Even if you don't care much about this conflict, it's a model worth considering, since the rest of us here in the West also have a history of voluntarily entering into this cultural exchange of sorts with various middle eastern societies. In some ways, the barrier remains for us, hence our hapless bumbling in the region. Those misunderstandings result in expensive mistakes, of course, but perhaps it's better than full sublation, a violent dance of mutual becoming.

    • sbayg 12 hours ago ago

      Spousal abuse is often explained in similar fashion, if a bit less eloquently, by the abuser.

    • spwa4 12 hours ago ago

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      • RobMurray 9 hours ago ago

        Yeah, all Israel ever wanted was peace. That's why they stole land that was already populated, and continue to take more and more. Bomb women and children. confiscate baby formula. starve innocent people. destroy their homes and schools. Perfect way to keep peace.

  • josefritzishere 12 hours ago ago

    This is the same completely obvious trap every previous president has managed to avoid. Bibi has been asking for a US proxy war with Iran since the Regan administration and now he has it. The US is trapped.

    • karmakurtisaani 6 hours ago ago

      But he doesn't know who he's dealing with this time. The master of the deal himself, Donald Trump!

      Let me explain: Trump has no issues making a terrible deal with Iran and leaving Israel to fend for itself. He will allow Iran to keep nuclear material and develop the bomb, while selling oil and collecting tolls from Hormuz if he can in some way spin it as a win. He is sick of this war, can't even continue it anyway and is looking for any exit. The art of the deal, baby!

  • Aeolun 13 hours ago ago

    To the surprise of… crickets.