Note "cheaper" is only relative to the 2x peak price. The off-peak price is still the same price as today. In other words they hiked the price 2x for peak hours only.
I thought they just used open weights models on infrastructure they get from someone else. They say,
“What about data and privacy?
The plan is designed primarily for international users, with models hosted in the US, EU, and Singapore for stable global access. Our providers follow a zero-retention policy and do not use your data for model training.”
> in California (PDT / UTC-7): 03:00 to 18:00, and 21:00 to 23:00.
I think that’s incorrect. For California (PDT), 2X pricing will be in effect from 6–9pm and 11pm–3am. During PST, the CA windows will be 5–8pm and 10pm–2am.
A bit weird that it also applies to weekends. I guess it helps not creating wrong incentives for companies, but it hurts open and personal projects a bit.
Quite simple. Chinese software companies rarely have true weekends. Most have alternating "Big/Small Weeks" (alternating between two days off and one day off) or just a single day off. This is the origin of the word "996" (working from 9 AM to 9 PM, 6 days a week) in the 996.icu movement initiated by Chinese programmers a few years ago.
Yall trust LLM providers sweeping up keys and passwords? Sometimes you have a little .env file or config files in your repos that are not checked in... LLMs like to read that stuff and send it in. I don't trust any of the LLM providers, but less so the ones seated in China.
Yes, never trust the perfidious chinamen or their evil LLMs. They are on another level of evil than our glorious and noble western LLMs that are used to bomb schools.
Mostly yeah - convenience tradeoff is worthwhile. Though wouldn’t give it anything that could do serious damage like unrestricted GCP keys or something
So DeepSeek v4 will cost 2x between 9:00 to 12:00 and 14:00 to 18:00, Beijing Time.
This is UTC+8 so to get cheaper DeepSeek:
- in London (BST / UTC+1): 11:00 to 02:00, and 05:00 to 07:00.
- in NY (EDT / UTC-4): 06:00 to 21:00, and 00:00 to 02:00.
- in California (PDT / UTC-7): 03:00 to 18:00, and 21:00 to 23:00.
Subscription plans like OpenCode Go might not even pass down this 2x cost since most customers are EU/US.
>This is UTC+8 so to get cheaper DeepSeek:
Note "cheaper" is only relative to the 2x peak price. The off-peak price is still the same price as today. In other words they hiked the price 2x for peak hours only.
Does opencode go use deepseek infrastructure?
I thought they just used open weights models on infrastructure they get from someone else. They say,
“What about data and privacy?
The plan is designed primarily for international users, with models hosted in the US, EU, and Singapore for stable global access. Our providers follow a zero-retention policy and do not use your data for model training.”
https://opencode.ai/go
My impression is that they use OpenRouter, so market price among multiple inference providers.
I think you are correct. OpenCode Go doesn't use DeepSeek V4 from the official API to the best of my knowledge.
> in California (PDT / UTC-7): 03:00 to 18:00, and 21:00 to 23:00.
I think that’s incorrect. For California (PDT), 2X pricing will be in effect from 6–9pm and 11pm–3am. During PST, the CA windows will be 5–8pm and 10pm–2am.
> 2X pricing will be in effect from 6–9pm and 11pm–3am
that's why cheaper price is 03-18 and 21-23, aka 3am-6pm,9pm-11pm
Oops, the "cost 2x" mention in the first paragraph confused me. Thanks!
I don't understand, you say that Deepseek will be more expensive for seven hours a day and then give five hours a day where it's cheaper in London.
11:00 to 02:00, and 05:00 to 07:00 is 17 hours right?
Ahh I'm very sleep deprived, thanks. Parsed 02:00 as 14:00.
I just worked out that that was probably the cause. Hope you're not baking over there.
Thanks, I'm trying but it's been pretty hot. You guys have it worse though, I was just in London and it was unbearable. At least AC helps here.
That math makes no sense
Perhaps you read those western times as being the more expensive time windows? They are the cheaper times. I know it can be confusing.
But please let me know where my math is wrong.
For Berlin time (Germany, UTC+2, CEST), the 2x cost period is 03:00 - 06:00, and 08:00 - 12:00.
08:00 - 12:00 would have really hurt if prices were not ridiculously low to begin with.
A bit weird that it also applies to weekends. I guess it helps not creating wrong incentives for companies, but it hurts open and personal projects a bit.
Quite simple. Chinese software companies rarely have true weekends. Most have alternating "Big/Small Weeks" (alternating between two days off and one day off) or just a single day off. This is the origin of the word "996" (working from 9 AM to 9 PM, 6 days a week) in the 996.icu movement initiated by Chinese programmers a few years ago.
This was a movement from a time when the IT industry still held promise for the future (7 years ago):
https://github.com/996icu/996.ICU
Now they are just thinking about to not to lose their jobs now. Even worse working environment.
This announcement also mentioned that they will release the next version (official non preview version) of v4 in mid July.
So for some time spans it goes from ridiculously cheap to just very very cheap? I support that and I see no problem whatsoever.
Content restricted in the UK
It is truly sad to see what is happening to the UK.
The same site seems to host cryptocurrency related things, and the UK has a bunch of crypto laws.
I have not seen the official deepseek communication to this effect.
I got an email from them with this information approximately six hours ago.
There is also a banner about the price change on their API platform site, at least for me
It's business at the end of the day. Don't get surprised if one day DeepSeek does a rug pull too.
Rug pull already underway. They're all heavily subsidized, that is drying up and they all need to show revenue if they are to survive.
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Yall trust LLM providers sweeping up keys and passwords? Sometimes you have a little .env file or config files in your repos that are not checked in... LLMs like to read that stuff and send it in. I don't trust any of the LLM providers, but less so the ones seated in China.
Yes, never trust the perfidious chinamen or their evil LLMs. They are on another level of evil than our glorious and noble western LLMs that are used to bomb schools.
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Mostly yeah - convenience tradeoff is worthwhile. Though wouldn’t give it anything that could do serious damage like unrestricted GCP keys or something
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