15 comments

  • bradley13 41 minutes ago ago

    It's not just Europe. DMCA takedowns in the US: no liability for taking down innocent content.

    Really, it comes down to this: censorship is bad. Always.

    If someone violates the law, get a court judgement. With the judgement in hand, take down that specific material.

    Too much work? Tough...

    • nonethewiser 15 minutes ago ago

      Isnt taking down illegal content censorship?

      If not you can get around the absolute statement “censorship is always bad” by just making more things illegal.

      I think censorship is so clearly good in some scenarios that we would never think to even debate it. Like child porn.

    • username_my1 13 minutes ago ago

      soon with the age verification laws, the mass surveillance laws coming

      we'll have a great wall of Europe ... my guess is that they're following the Russian / Chinese model.

      banning of VPN is a matter of time.

      then the days of free or anonymous internet is behind us.

  • throwa356262 2 hours ago ago

    Such an obvious thing, should have been there from day 1.

    The situation in Spain is particularly crazy. How can la liga have this much power over the Internet?

    • gadrev an hour ago ago

      It's ridiculous. Not being able to work (or having tools/certain websites fail randomly each time there's a high audience match) because "soccer" tells you a lot about the priorities of the country. Or at least of the elements that make these kinds of decisions and policies possible...

      We even got an isitchristmas.com-like website to track this (https://hayahora.futbol/). I admit I find it a bit amusing.

    • gonzalohm 2 hours ago ago

      In the US there is lobbying. In Spain there is soccer. I have seen crazy things done just for soccer. The town I used to live in closed my street for a few weeks during one world cup. I wasn't able to use my garage during all that time.

      Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.

      I hated that

      • greenavocado an hour ago ago

        > Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.

        Bread and circuses. Whatever it takes to suppress the instinctual nationalistic ambitions of the people by redirecting their spirits and energy into /dev/null

        • gonzalohm 7 minutes ago ago

          Those are my thoughts too. I believe there was a world cup or euro cup during the 2008 crisis, which Spain suffered specially badly. All countries were getting out of the "hole" except Spain, but hey we won the euro cup so suddenly our country was the best and everyone forgot about it

      • dummydummy1234 an hour ago ago

        ... Out of curiosity, why did they close the street? Was it to turn it into public walking space? (I'm trying to imagine a reason and coming up short...)

        • gonzalohm 10 minutes ago ago

          It's a wide street and they installed a screen. I guess that's not something that you can set-up for every match so they decided to leave it up the whole time.

          The problem I have with it is not that my street was closed. It's that soccer always gets all the preferential treatment. Why not set that up for badminton or tennis? We have spectacular players but soccer seems to be the only important sport

        • forgotaccount3 42 minutes ago ago

          Sometimes places close streets for traffic control.

          The 'main' roads end up getting backed up and then people naturally start drifting over to a bunch of side-roads to get to the destination. This then causes further traffic issues as the locations where side-roads intersect the main roads get backed up as people on the side roads try to merge into the main ones.

          A solution ends up being closing some side roads to funnel the temporary traffic into the main thoroughfare while still allowing some local traffic through the non-closed side roads at the cost of some side roads being inaccessible.

      • FireBeyond an hour ago ago

        > Also, somehow small towns always find money available for soccer related stuff (like building stadiums, events, etc.) but there is no money for improving healthcare or building parks.

        I mean Texas can hold a candle there. Nearly 30 high school football stadiums with 10,000+ capacity (and 20,000 in a few cases), built for amounts sometimes exceeding $50M each. Some of the stadiums are shared with track and field etc., but others are "exclusively used by the high school football teams".

    • riffraff an hour ago ago

      I can assure you the situation in Italy is just as bad.

      We do have an independent telecommunications authority, but it's been subservient to the Serie A (rather, the companies who own the broadcasting /streaming rights) diktat almost completely.

  • londons_explore an hour ago ago

    The real damage from over blocking isn't a few customer service calls to the ISP or a couple of lost customers...

    The real damage is the millions of hours of wasted time of the citizens of the nation.

  • expo98 10 minutes ago ago

    I hope so, in Spain you can't access anything that uses Cloudflare, even docker images, thanks to LaLiga's president bullshit