A dark horse enters China's AI race: StartLux

(chinaonchina.com)

55 points | by try-working 2 days ago ago

31 comments

  • FailMore a day ago ago

    I enjoyed this article... random cat pictures (esp. thumbs up cat picture) kept me going.

    I do think on device AI will be a BIG thing... and basically change how we interact with our computers entirely - you will just ask to get things done. Low latency, free to use as much as you want. I think this future is hard to avoid/this will be a chunk of the future.

    • MisterTea a day ago ago

      Like Star Trek -- "tea. earl grey. hot.". Though there will still be tasks where you'd have to likely want or need to pick up a keyboard and mouse. But of course there will be plenty of casual users who dont want or need to do anything interesting and use it for simple tasks like ask for the weather, turn on lights, and brew their earl grey.

    • vkaku a day ago ago

      I don't think personal computers will be a BIG thing ....

      - IDK, some random mainframe company exec in the 60s ;)

    • alansaber a day ago ago

      For sure, there is a big subset of tasks where ultra low latency >>> other concerns

  • Karuma 2 days ago ago

    It's just another Qwen 3.6 27B finetune (not even 3.8...), claiming to beat TB-sized models. This is probably the 57th model like that, just this week, claiming the same thing... And they never deliver, to say the least.

    • dgellow a day ago ago

      Didn’t they deliver something here? Why does it matter what base model they used?

      • eightysixfour a day ago ago

        What they all deliver is benchmaxxed models that are awful in actual use.

        • xena a day ago ago

          But it gives the lab good publicity, as seen in the article.

        • vkaku a day ago ago

          I'm giving out more unpopular opinions today for entertainment and thought :)

          Every model is benchmaxxing today. Many of them are awful until tuned for any particular task.

        • dgellow a day ago ago

          Qwen is a really awesome model to use!

    • BoredomIsFun a day ago ago

      > (not even 3.8...)

      3.6 is better for non-coding tasks, noticeably so.

    • alansaber a day ago ago

      The finetunes will continue until morale increases.

  • RetroTechie a day ago ago

    Anyone know how this company expects to make money from AI model(s) running locally on consumer-grade hardware?

    Download a closed-source binary for <platform>, payment via appstore? Ads inserted in output? Freemium vs. pro tier offerings? Some other way?

    This seems like boxed software of old, right? Cracked and distributed on warez sites in no-time.

    • cdud3 a day ago ago

      With specialized agents it could be as simple as "Upgrade your current used generic model to the better one specialized better on your tasks for only $10" rather then today's "we ship everything in one model no matter what you really need so you need our cloud subscription" approach.

  • ngl999 a day ago ago

    Still censored, no thanks.

    • zabana a day ago ago

      arent western models censored too ?

  • mmooss a day ago ago

    > At the 18th anniversary reunion of Shanda Innovation Institute, he publicly declared "eight non-consensus views for the AI era," ...

    The "eight non-consensus views" matches a pattern in public communication in China, and I wonder if it is a technique that's taught, a style, or something with a history? Is there a word for it? I'm hoping someone here might know.

    For example, Xi Jinping's English Wikipedia page includes:

    * Four Comprehensives, Four Confidences, Four Consciousnesses, Three red lines, Three Stricts and Three Honests, Two Centenaries, Two Establishments, Two Upholds, Eight Musts, Eight-point Regulation

    Deng Xiaopeng:

    * Four Modernizations, Six Conceptions, Four Cardinal Principles, Four Modernizations

    Mao and the Cultural Revolution:

    * Three-anti and Five-anti Campaigns, Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, Four Olds, Five Black Categories, Five Red Categories, Four Greats, Three Loyalties and Four Limitlessnesses

  • Markoff 15 hours ago ago

    I am getting:

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  • debo_ a day ago ago

    A dark horse named Lux.

  • petcat 2 days ago ago

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    • BigTTYGothGF a day ago ago

      It's a big world, and I personally don't know anything about the history of software in places other than the west. Could you expand on the particulars of software in China and why those claims are wrong?

    • try-working 2 days ago ago

      It's a genuine Chinese news article written by a real person. I don't know why they choose to use these types of images, it truly makes it look like slop. I think it's because it's originally a WeChat article posted on their website.

      • Macuyiko a day ago ago

        For what it's worth the original article is in Chinese: https://www.qbitai.com/2026/09/483600.html

        The article linked here seems to be a (bad) auto-translated version.

        It's not uncommon for images to be incorporated in an article like this, as they typically get shared around WeChat and correspond better with the 'culture'.

      • petcat 2 days ago ago

        How do we explain this little blob of sloptext right in the middle:

        > The second task was more straightforward: both models were asked to search for flight tickets in a browser at the same time.

        > I'm unable to open a browser or interact with live websites like Google Flights. I can only process text and don't have real-time browsing capabilities. To find this flight yourself, here's what you'd do: 1. Go to google.com/flights 2. Enter Singapore (SIN) → Beijing 3. Select one-way, set departure date to 5 days from today 4. Filter by "Nonstop" and "Economy" 5. Check the results — note that flights to Beijing may land at either Capital (PEK) or Daxing (PKX). Exclude any Daxing arrivals. 6. Compare prices and pick the cheapest nonstop option landing at PEK. If you'd like, I can help you think through typical price ranges, airline options on this route, or general tips for finding cheap flights.

        > Among them, StartLux-V1.0-27B-Preview completed the search in about 95 seconds, finding an Air China ticket priced at $299.

        • try-working a day ago ago

          they're quoting the models chain of thought.

        • satvikpendem a day ago ago

          Did you even read what it just said above? They're testing the model's capabilities so of course they'd have whatever text the model outputted in the article, that's the entire point.