What happens when your entire day is depended on saas models? Anyone even considers using their locally hosted models in order to finish their work? Do you trust your local models to do any of you outstanding work? Do we even understand the code anymore to manually fix anything?
To any of the people unsure (because like so many people in tech they've probably never worked with or around an excavator) the answer is, "they do not."
A local model would be akin to a smaller and slower excavator, so yeah, grab the Basterd and grind that dirt.
No but seriously, local models can't replace them altogether, but in case of a complete outage and imminence of work that can't be postponed like resolving support tickets, then it'll have to make do without more capable models.
I was worried somewhat until it become really apparent that small models that run locally can handle 99% of technical computer crap when given a decent tool set harness and net access.
so, to answer your question more practically, during this outage a luna agent of mine fell back to a local bonsai 2 model hosted on my desktop, and the work still got done just fine, just took longer.
> What happens when your entire day is depended on saas models?
Grab a different one, unlike GitHub being down, there's far less of a moat and you can swap out Codex for Claude Code pretty easily. Or any other provider and yes including local models, though it depends on how good the ones you can run locally are.
> Do we even understand the code anymore to manually fix anything?
Assuming you are not 100% vibe coding, you should! If you are vibe coding, then you should still be able to read the code and understand it regardless. Same with making any changes, it's just code. Whether it's worth your time to do that and work manually or not, that's a different question.
If I was limited to just one cloud provider, I'd just take a few hours off and have a beverage or take a nap. Or if working in office, find other busywork.
This outage is not just Codex, right? I am just using GTP-6 Astra for some administrative prompts and it has been returning, "Error in message stream", for several minutes now.
It comes from my objective experience and from that of dozens of users reporting it on Reddit. It's easy to dismiss one person but when dozens are reporting it, there could be something to it.
Could it still be a mass hallucination? It's possible but unlikely.
It also is no surprise that 6-Sol costs as much as 5.6-Terra. Is this mere coincidence or meant to reflect a certain computational cost? I fear the latter.
In any event, third party benchmarks (not conveyed by OpenaAI) should help. We know the joke of how OpenAI distorts the Y axis in plots to misrepresent model performance, although in this case the reality is likely worse.
No, outages is when you start experimenting with local models and catch up what's new since last outage. If you're a power user, you end up getting to play with local models every week!
It doesn't help that the error message was entirely incorrect, not an accurate reflection of the problem. In reality the user wasn't using any API key whatsoever.
unrelated but also chatgpt is super buggy, try generating an image, click stop, now wong be able to send another message until you reload, this issue has been there for months
I amusingly was doing a "cleanup" of my various harnesses when this happened. Claude Code has a /doctor command which was actually quite helpful, so I decided to swap over to Codex and ask it to do a self-analysis and give me some recommendations if there's something I need to clean up. The response was a connection issue. And so was the next. And the next.
Took me the past 20 minutes to finally check for a status page and realize I hadn't broken something. Not before I created a new project, checked the settings to see my usage numbers, closed and opened the desktop app a couple times, logged out and logged in, used my phone to see if it was a general ChatGPT outage, and generally messing around trying to figure out what I had done.
I mean, you never know... it could have been my prompt that took the whole service down. (Sorry if it was).
It easily took over 15 minutes of it being down for it to even register on the status page. The status page showed fake green for this long. This is as verified by myself and by many users on Reddit r/codex who have timed posts and comments. It is a scam.
If Reddit is more useful than a status page, then what good is a status page? A lie is a lie. 15 minutes can cause someone to reinstall their entire software stack as is documented on this page. For the sites I administer, I have immediate reporting, and I have never had a false alert.
Sounds like you've never worked in Ops. Having immediate triggers for outages will absolutely flood you with useless alerts. 15 minutes is pretty normal before alerting as there are a zillion unsolvable intermittent issues (and non issues) that can cause a loss of connection to things.
I'm seeing this locally (on the desktop MacOS app): unexpected status 401 Unauthorized: Incorrect API key provided
Good thing they don't promise SLA's.
What happens when your entire day is depended on saas models? Anyone even considers using their locally hosted models in order to finish their work? Do you trust your local models to do any of you outstanding work? Do we even understand the code anymore to manually fix anything?
If the excavator breaks down on a job site does the operator get out, grab a shovel, and start digging?
To any of the people unsure (because like so many people in tech they've probably never worked with or around an excavator) the answer is, "they do not."
Or when it rains, do the farmers keep farming?
A local model would be akin to a smaller and slower excavator, so yeah, grab the Basterd and grind that dirt.
No but seriously, local models can't replace them altogether, but in case of a complete outage and imminence of work that can't be postponed like resolving support tickets, then it'll have to make do without more capable models.
I remember the days when Stack Overflow would go down. People would actually start seeing each other's faces in the office kitchen.
> What happens when your entire day is depended on saas models
Honestly an outage on a Friday is perfect. Clean up your inbox, get to the small tasks you’ve neglected and go home early.
I was worried somewhat until it become really apparent that small models that run locally can handle 99% of technical computer crap when given a decent tool set harness and net access.
so, to answer your question more practically, during this outage a luna agent of mine fell back to a local bonsai 2 model hosted on my desktop, and the work still got done just fine, just took longer.
> What happens when your entire day is depended on saas models?
Grab a different one, unlike GitHub being down, there's far less of a moat and you can swap out Codex for Claude Code pretty easily. Or any other provider and yes including local models, though it depends on how good the ones you can run locally are.
> Do we even understand the code anymore to manually fix anything?
Assuming you are not 100% vibe coding, you should! If you are vibe coding, then you should still be able to read the code and understand it regardless. Same with making any changes, it's just code. Whether it's worth your time to do that and work manually or not, that's a different question.
If I was limited to just one cloud provider, I'd just take a few hours off and have a beverage or take a nap. Or if working in office, find other busywork.
Same plan as for a power outage: Go outside (hacker news), chat with your neighbors and wait.
Do something else that day?
Appears to be back online.
I thought I got banned.
Cool - what were you working on!
Just a 3D render of a rocket. So I thought it was safe.
China rocket? You are.
Hehe. Next. Now just the falcon 9
Waiting for a pizza.
You?
Leveraging the Ai for a Denon telnet / HTTP integration to help guests watch a DVD or the radio without my help : )
Watching the trailer for Megaton Rainfall on repeat and vibing out to the sick OST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XecKu1_O54U
I don't know if related, but a half hour before it fully went down, it was flagging all of my requests as security violations which was bizarre.
This outage is not just Codex, right? I am just using GTP-6 Astra for some administrative prompts and it has been returning, "Error in message stream", for several minutes now.
Friday afternoon in the US I guess, perfect time for things to go wrong.
Excellent work all around, take the rest of the week off.
Looks like someone at OpenAI did a Friday afternoon deployment lol
It's on the status page: https://status.openai.com
Clickable incident link: https://status.openai.com/incidents/01M3DCNWMW57HYK8FJ5FBFPA...
Thanks - I put that in the toptext too.
This outage started a lot longer than 13mins ago. At least now I have an excuse to leave the office and have a long coffee break.
They are not having a good week.
I am not even excited about the expected reset because the model quality has been less than stellar.
They've been lying to everyone's face about GPT-6, considering GPT-6-Sol is markedly worse than GPT-5.6-Sol. It is a complete scam.
It is documented by numerous users of r/codex and other subreddits, also it is what I see when working with it.
Do you have proof of this?
It comes from my objective experience and from that of dozens of users reporting it on Reddit. It's easy to dismiss one person but when dozens are reporting it, there could be something to it.
Could it still be a mass hallucination? It's possible but unlikely.
It also is no surprise that 6-Sol costs as much as 5.6-Terra. Is this mere coincidence or meant to reflect a certain computational cost? I fear the latter.
In any event, third party benchmarks (not conveyed by OpenaAI) should help. We know the joke of how OpenAI distorts the Y axis in plots to misrepresent model performance, although in this case the reality is likely worse.
Testing something, can you guys post useless replies like "cool man" or "...okay?"
Way to go, Ace!
cool man
...okay?
These NS agents could have been dedicated to better platform resilience I guess.
ugh I thought it was just me, ended up reinstalling everything from scratch
ChatGPT is not working... Better nuke the OS.
Next time, wait for five to ten minutes and check r/codex.
same!
was thinking there was something going on with my local network and realized I should look at HN...thank god it's not just me.
They getting ready to release a new model?
What... am I supposed to code by hand!?
No, outages is when you start experimenting with local models and catch up what's new since last outage. If you're a power user, you end up getting to play with local models every week!
Codex is back
Nevermind. Switching to Opus 5.5.
thank god I'm not the only one, pulling my hair out hitting ctrl+z ... Happy Friday I guess
A good time for reading
Or switching to Claude
I switched to Claude. Opus 5.5 was causing fomo anyway. This was the trigger. I admit I have zero loyalty
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It doesn't help that the error message was entirely incorrect, not an accurate reflection of the problem. In reality the user wasn't using any API key whatsoever.
ChatGPT also seems down for me.
It has been down in Work mode, not in Chat mode.
It's crazy how fast these things became load-bearing
Somebody really wanted to cross one off the weekly TODO list :)
Don't deploy to production after noon on Friday!
Codex took an unannounced early day off for the weekend. It happens.
It’s my sign to touch grass.
You mean burn?
praise the, grass!
unrelated but also chatgpt is super buggy, try generating an image, click stop, now wong be able to send another message until you reload, this issue has been there for months
inb4 Aeon
I amusingly was doing a "cleanup" of my various harnesses when this happened. Claude Code has a /doctor command which was actually quite helpful, so I decided to swap over to Codex and ask it to do a self-analysis and give me some recommendations if there's something I need to clean up. The response was a connection issue. And so was the next. And the next.
Took me the past 20 minutes to finally check for a status page and realize I hadn't broken something. Not before I created a new project, checked the settings to see my usage numbers, closed and opened the desktop app a couple times, logged out and logged in, used my phone to see if it was a general ChatGPT outage, and generally messing around trying to figure out what I had done.
I mean, you never know... it could have been my prompt that took the whole service down. (Sorry if it was).
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It easily took over 15 minutes of it being down for it to even register on the status page. The status page showed fake green for this long. This is as verified by myself and by many users on Reddit r/codex who have timed posts and comments. It is a scam.
If Reddit is more useful than a status page, then what good is a status page? A lie is a lie. 15 minutes can cause someone to reinstall their entire software stack as is documented on this page. For the sites I administer, I have immediate reporting, and I have never had a false alert.
Sounds like you've never worked in Ops. Having immediate triggers for outages will absolutely flood you with useless alerts. 15 minutes is pretty normal before alerting as there are a zillion unsolvable intermittent issues (and non issues) that can cause a loss of connection to things.
At last someone ffin noticed! I've observed it for at least an hour before the announcement.
So much for status reporting from openai. Must have been vibe coded.