8 comments

  • bigyabai 7 hours ago ago

    It will be difficult for Israeli-native filmmakers to tell the full story through the IDF's Military Censor. The Guardian will at least be able to release a version that isn't censored by the subject of the documentary.

    • snarky-comments 7 hours ago ago

      I believe the filmmakers are IDF members if that matters?

      • bigyabai 7 hours ago ago

        That certainly exacerbates the conflict of interests.

        • snarky-comments 5 hours ago ago

          Yes, but my point was about censorship, in reply to the above comment.

        • EA-3167 4 hours ago ago

          If the Hamas-run health ministry giving a running and statically questionable body count doesn’t represent a conflict of interest sufficient to incite concern or doubt… why this?

          Of course it’s not doing to be objective; neither was Naza, nor is any documentary. The trick isn’t to watch with open eyes and a slack jaw, it’s something you should think about (Naza included) and then do the work to learn more and check claims with multiple sources.

          Otherwise it hardly matters if you’re watching a documentary or a corporate biopic, you’re just absorbing “facts” that at best are selected and presented to create a lasting emotional association.

          Think critically! Use metacognition!

          • bigyabai 4 hours ago ago

            > why this?

            Because the topic of the documentary isn't the validity of Hamas-run health ministries. You're both-sides-ing a film that has a single clear objective, one which the IDF cannot credibly self-document.

            There is absolutely room for rigorous and rational debate of both sides, but that's what the ICC is for. And when they do investigate both sides, they aren't going to justify Hamas crimes because of Israeli dishonesty, or justify Israeli crimes because of Hamas or Hezbollah dishonesty. To hold both sides accountable, you need rigorous, unbiased and uncensored scrutiny of their systems individually. It is overwhelmingly obvious that there are no "good guys" here, but that's not The Guardian's film is about.

            > you’re just absorbing “facts” that at best are selected and presented to create a lasting emotional association.

            Precisely. To that end, one must critically filter out sources that are biased or censored. The Israeli press and media are both censored by the exact organization they want to report on.

            • EA-3167 4 hours ago ago

              My bad, I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion, not preach the usual.

              Let’s never interact again.

              • bigyabai 4 hours ago ago

                You're welcome to respond whenever you're emotionally capable of addressing "the usual" without Hasbara misdirection.

                Bash Hamas all you want, I truly don't care. You just can't deny that Israel's military directly censors their press and media outlets. That objectively discredits their media.