The short answer is that those were conceived during economic boom times before the median American was sold down the river with outsourcing, financialization, and good old fashion corruption. 50 years after this crime was commited against the people, the ideals espoused in those fictions has become hollow and sour.
He lied about the Cybertruck being faster than it is. It's fast anyway. There was no need to lie about it but Musk is pathological. He simply can't help himself:
Neither Star Trek nor the Apollo program were popular at the time. The original Star Trek was cancelled after three seasons with no further content produced until a movie revival a decade later; contemporary polls of the Apollo program consistently showed that most people thought it was a waste of money. If (if) SpaceX and Tesla deliver on Musk's dreams, I expect people in the 2050s will wax nostalgic about the 2020s and complain that we can't summon the same spirit of adventure for the Dyson spheres Claude wants to build.
Star Trek is fiction, a hopeful vision of a far future and not a description of the present. ToS was also dark and verging on a horror series most of the time. The rampant optimism of the 1990's and TnG are NOT found in ToS. The Federation of ToS isn't a utopia or implied to be one, it's just more egalitarian than the present at the time which was defined by generational, racial, and economic fighting. It took place during the context of a war that claimed tens of thousands of American lives, most drafted from the ranks of our youth.
It's very easy to imagine a past defined by fictional narratives and idealized memories of the Cold War. Don't give in to nostalgia, it's a lie.
Star Trek was pretty negative about this period in history.
In that universe, we had the Eugenics War/World War III during this time period. The most depraved and bloody war in Earth’s history that wiped out 1/3 of Earth’s human population and rendered hundreds of thousands of species extinct.
This is really off-base with how it describes Musk assuming control of Tesla. Musk would have preferred the original CEOs worked out better but sadly they didn't, Tesla was on a bankruptcy trajectory when he took over and now they're the most profitable and highest volume EV maker of all time.
as you were already told BYD surpassed them, by quite a margin as well, and if you add the other chinese EV maker it's huge, even if you pit all the western EV car makers against the chinese one they are eating our lunch.
On top of that Tesla never reached the scale of any other car maker, those are some of the biggest and most complicated companies and supply chains on the planet.
I used to think we owed him the fact that EV are a thing, I then learned that China was preparing for it for a while, now I'm not so certain if he had the vision that it was possible to overcome the stagnation and resistance of traditional car makers or he just knew the chinese were also working on it.
for sure he saw the promise in reusable rockets, as he saw it with LLMs, a business genius he is, an industrialist I'm not sure.
Hit piece, if you analysed anyones life, decision etc you could pick them apart. He's a human like the rest of us with same faults just magnified due to his fame and wealth.
Would you say the same if it's a biography of say, Charles Manson? He's just a human as well, like you and me, but the world cares more about all the horrible shit he did.
You can spot that I'm not a fan...
So maybe the book cares more about the thought process behind the destructive shit Elon has done. For one thing, Doge's probably has fatally damaged the USA, and oh yeah, Doge's there because Elon helped Trump get elected. How's your grocery and gas bill this week?
Sam Altman said "Elon desperately wants the world to be saved. But only if he can be the one to save it.". Reading the beginning of this article about his climate fight makes me think maybe Elon's motivation is to gain the world's love to fill that trillion cubic meter gaping hole in his heart...
https://archive.is/VXu3I
how did we go from growing up with star trek, sci-fi, apollo program to this boring constant negativity. ugh.
The short answer is that those were conceived during economic boom times before the median American was sold down the river with outsourcing, financialization, and good old fashion corruption. 50 years after this crime was commited against the people, the ideals espoused in those fictions has become hollow and sour.
What's your argument? That we should put aside rationality and basic honesty for feel good vibes, no matter the lies?
Musk lies constantly. He lies about stupid things there's no need to lie about like being better at video games than he actually is: https://futurism.com/gamers-disgusted-musk-cheats-diablo-pat...
He lied about the Cybertruck being faster than it is. It's fast anyway. There was no need to lie about it but Musk is pathological. He simply can't help himself:
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE
Tesla never ran the quarter mile they claimed they did. It's pathetic.
Some people deserve such negativity. I don't see what that has to do with star trek.
Neither Star Trek nor the Apollo program were popular at the time. The original Star Trek was cancelled after three seasons with no further content produced until a movie revival a decade later; contemporary polls of the Apollo program consistently showed that most people thought it was a waste of money. If (if) SpaceX and Tesla deliver on Musk's dreams, I expect people in the 2050s will wax nostalgic about the 2020s and complain that we can't summon the same spirit of adventure for the Dyson spheres Claude wants to build.
(there was an animated series before the movie)
Star Trek is fiction, a hopeful vision of a far future and not a description of the present. ToS was also dark and verging on a horror series most of the time. The rampant optimism of the 1990's and TnG are NOT found in ToS. The Federation of ToS isn't a utopia or implied to be one, it's just more egalitarian than the present at the time which was defined by generational, racial, and economic fighting. It took place during the context of a war that claimed tens of thousands of American lives, most drafted from the ranks of our youth.
It's very easy to imagine a past defined by fictional narratives and idealized memories of the Cold War. Don't give in to nostalgia, it's a lie.
Selling out all of our values to make an extra buck.
Star Trek was pretty negative about this period in history.
In that universe, we had the Eugenics War/World War III during this time period. The most depraved and bloody war in Earth’s history that wiped out 1/3 of Earth’s human population and rendered hundreds of thousands of species extinct.
you can appreciate the work of spacex while also recognizing that Musk is one of history's greatest douchebags and civilization's worst enemies.
If it's not true I'm sure Musk will file a lawsuit against him.
Right?
I thought Isaacson's biography was good and balanced.
Besides lamp shading what are arguably Elon's biggest/most interesting flaws, it contained factual errors that he had to retract later.
These podcasters (who I quite like but may be an acquired taste) call him out on how little he pushes back or does basic fact checking:
* https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elon-musk/id1651876897... * https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/elon-musk-part-2/id165...
Isaacson is mostly interesting in selling the people the story they think the know, he doesn't care about critically examining the fact.
I disagree with a few of the claims in the podcast, but overall they are right.
Agreed. Also pretty telling that Ashlee Vance refused to collaborate or share his recordings with Gibney.
I thought it was calling that diver a pedo for telling him that his submarine idea was stupid.
Or the implicating Trump in the Epstein files and the going back to groveling at his feet
Or the hiring someone to play video games for him.
No, his personality cult does not care because they admire him for being able to be a malignancy while suffering no consequences.
hiring video game player? what? why?
That one was quite funny - see https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-admits-to-paying-people-to-pla...
[dead]
This is really off-base with how it describes Musk assuming control of Tesla. Musk would have preferred the original CEOs worked out better but sadly they didn't, Tesla was on a bankruptcy trajectory when he took over and now they're the most profitable and highest volume EV maker of all time.
They were once, but no longer. BYD has surpassed them in delivered volume and proft since 2025.
Tesla's net income has been declining YOY since 2023.
Would they have any profitable quarters if you subtracted gov subsidies and "green credit sales"?
Last I checked a few years ago, they were never truly profitable.
Welfare is fine if it's going to the richest man in the world.
It's only bad when it's going to the poor.
as you were already told BYD surpassed them, by quite a margin as well, and if you add the other chinese EV maker it's huge, even if you pit all the western EV car makers against the chinese one they are eating our lunch.
On top of that Tesla never reached the scale of any other car maker, those are some of the biggest and most complicated companies and supply chains on the planet.
I used to think we owed him the fact that EV are a thing, I then learned that China was preparing for it for a while, now I'm not so certain if he had the vision that it was possible to overcome the stagnation and resistance of traditional car makers or he just knew the chinese were also working on it.
for sure he saw the promise in reusable rockets, as he saw it with LLMs, a business genius he is, an industrialist I'm not sure.
Tesla is ~13% of the global EV market and one of the worst values at that.
Their total volume of vehicles sold is 15% of Toyota’s, and shrinking.
Hit piece, if you analysed anyones life, decision etc you could pick them apart. He's a human like the rest of us with same faults just magnified due to his fame and wealth.
> Hit piece
How would you know? You haven't watched it.
business genius: yes unhinged: also, yes
should he hold all the power he does? no, he's unhinged.
Would you say the same if it's a biography of say, Charles Manson? He's just a human as well, like you and me, but the world cares more about all the horrible shit he did.
You can spot that I'm not a fan...
So maybe the book cares more about the thought process behind the destructive shit Elon has done. For one thing, Doge's probably has fatally damaged the USA, and oh yeah, Doge's there because Elon helped Trump get elected. How's your grocery and gas bill this week?
Sam Altman said "Elon desperately wants the world to be saved. But only if he can be the one to save it.". Reading the beginning of this article about his climate fight makes me think maybe Elon's motivation is to gain the world's love to fill that trillion cubic meter gaping hole in his heart...
He's even tried humor, but as this lady's pointed out: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/13/it-soo...
Charles Manson!, Ok you need help, see a therapist please, EDS is real.
Are you sure you're not just looking for moral justification for abusing your own trans daughter like Musk does?
[flagged]
You don't have to like Musk but words do mean things.
Nasty little snake oil salesman.