/e/OS user here. I regularly receive the latest Android and LineageOS security patches. Much more consistently than I did back then on a stock Android phone. I don't really know what these guys' (Murena and GrapheneOS devs) problems are with each other, but they really should stop, it isn't good for anyone.
The founder of Murena strongly implies that the difference between /e/ and GrapheneOS is that GrapheneOS is designed to protect pedos, for example. I think that explains a lot.
Did you actually check what your device is getting updates for, if they contain latest firmware, kernel, drivers etc or do you rely on recurring OTA appearing?
Also GrapheneOS can't be compared to other privacy/de-googled roms because none other are as deeply tied to the security/isolation/memory protection features shipping on pre-11 Pixels and 2027+ Motorola flagships.
Any revolution without the privacy available at the time would have never succeeded. The ability for people to communicate without the state being able to listen presents too much of a danger to be allowed. This is true in every kind of state, democracy, theocracy, authoritarian, doesnt matter.
I'm a bit surprised. I like GrapheneOS, but also e/Os, lineage,... Why this bashing? To me they're all on the good side.
And I can't find evidence that it's a state sponsored effort, anyone?
It's a psychology thing I admit, but having the post spilt up across Mastodon posts immediately makes this take a hit to their ability to speak with authority.
It might just be due to my age but constraining their writing to the post limits also hurts the statements. It makes the whole segment seem reactionary in an internet drama kind of way on one end, or conspiracy theorist writing on the other.
I hope someone in tech journalism picks up the story so we get a proper article on this. Right now it's just a "they said" and "they did" without supporting substance.
It also doesn't help that in the Mastodon website styling, threads segue pretty much straight into comments, and one of the first comments to appear is by an obviously mentally ill person. Posting on social media like this just makes one susceptible to other content appearing next to yours that undermines your message. A blog post on their own site would have allowed them to control their message better.
running this the other direction it seems a touch odd to suggest my own instance's 6969 character limit is capable of conferring some amount of authority, but hey i'll take it
All the signs are there that this is a multinational police operation.
Likely intended to promote the less secure devices and get them in the hands of those the state would like to target. If it were actually limited to drug traffickers, dangerous criminals and terrorists I'd have much less of an issue with it.
But there are several groups that will likely be targets that should not be. Catalonian independence activists (spain), Abortion/reproductive rights activitsts (US), Palestinian advocacy groups, depending on how the politics in each of these countries goes, LGBT and especially trans activists could be targeted also...
graphene OS is bullshit big money play acting as an 'alternative'
there is NO clear identity or core team, just the standard trust us because we say so, and the tedium of another big company that will inevitably walk back whatever freedoms THEY GRANT is such a tired trope that people are of course alert to the clear signs comming from the money, like oooooh look 13 fucking banks just jumped on board, and all your apps will work, and something something, all that traffic to google servers is 'obfusicated', trust us.
Surely Graphene could admit that people with a love for privacy happen to have a something in common with all of organized crime?
For me, privacy is a strong human right, so I look kindly on people taking that ultra-seriously. They help the rest of us by extension. But what Graphene here calls a smear campaign directed at Graphene is mostly directed at criminals using privacy tools. Those are not the same, so don’t take it personal.
/e/OS user here. I regularly receive the latest Android and LineageOS security patches. Much more consistently than I did back then on a stock Android phone. I don't really know what these guys' (Murena and GrapheneOS devs) problems are with each other, but they really should stop, it isn't good for anyone.
> I don't really know what these guys' (Murena and GrapheneOS devs) problems are with each other
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50173902
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49355370
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363163
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
The founder of Murena strongly implies that the difference between /e/ and GrapheneOS is that GrapheneOS is designed to protect pedos, for example. I think that explains a lot.
https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-intervie...
Did you actually check what your device is getting updates for, if they contain latest firmware, kernel, drivers etc or do you rely on recurring OTA appearing?
Also GrapheneOS can't be compared to other privacy/de-googled roms because none other are as deeply tied to the security/isolation/memory protection features shipping on pre-11 Pixels and 2027+ Motorola flagships.
Any revolution without the privacy available at the time would have never succeeded. The ability for people to communicate without the state being able to listen presents too much of a danger to be allowed. This is true in every kind of state, democracy, theocracy, authoritarian, doesnt matter.
Those who give up their freedom and privacy for security will find themselves with neither security nor privacy...
I'm a bit surprised. I like GrapheneOS, but also e/Os, lineage,... Why this bashing? To me they're all on the good side. And I can't find evidence that it's a state sponsored effort, anyone?
It's a psychology thing I admit, but having the post spilt up across Mastodon posts immediately makes this take a hit to their ability to speak with authority.
It might just be due to my age but constraining their writing to the post limits also hurts the statements. It makes the whole segment seem reactionary in an internet drama kind of way on one end, or conspiracy theorist writing on the other.
I hope someone in tech journalism picks up the story so we get a proper article on this. Right now it's just a "they said" and "they did" without supporting substance.
It also doesn't help that in the Mastodon website styling, threads segue pretty much straight into comments, and one of the first comments to appear is by an obviously mentally ill person. Posting on social media like this just makes one susceptible to other content appearing next to yours that undermines your message. A blog post on their own site would have allowed them to control their message better.
running this the other direction it seems a touch odd to suggest my own instance's 6969 character limit is capable of conferring some amount of authority, but hey i'll take it
All the signs are there that this is a multinational police operation.
Likely intended to promote the less secure devices and get them in the hands of those the state would like to target. If it were actually limited to drug traffickers, dangerous criminals and terrorists I'd have much less of an issue with it.
But there are several groups that will likely be targets that should not be. Catalonian independence activists (spain), Abortion/reproductive rights activitsts (US), Palestinian advocacy groups, depending on how the politics in each of these countries goes, LGBT and especially trans activists could be targeted also...
graphene OS is bullshit big money play acting as an 'alternative' there is NO clear identity or core team, just the standard trust us because we say so, and the tedium of another big company that will inevitably walk back whatever freedoms THEY GRANT is such a tired trope that people are of course alert to the clear signs comming from the money, like oooooh look 13 fucking banks just jumped on board, and all your apps will work, and something something, all that traffic to google servers is 'obfusicated', trust us.
Surely Graphene could admit that people with a love for privacy happen to have a something in common with all of organized crime?
For me, privacy is a strong human right, so I look kindly on people taking that ultra-seriously. They help the rest of us by extension. But what Graphene here calls a smear campaign directed at Graphene is mostly directed at criminals using privacy tools. Those are not the same, so don’t take it personal.