Democrats win control of the House of Representatives

(nbcnews.com)

167 points | by geox 10 hours ago ago

78 comments

  • trymas 4 hours ago ago

    I "like" how all prominent election posts are flagged instantly today.

    I know that HN owners are far-right, but it just proves time and time again that considerable amount of HN users are too.

    Anything that is against current US administration policy is flagged fast and deemed as "too political for this forum" in the comment section.

    Politics are always interested in you. Especially US elections, that impact not only US citizens, but essentially whole world. Tech sector included.

    • wallst07 an hour ago ago

      The owners aren't doing it. And it's not bots either.

    • tim333 3 hours ago ago

      I think that's the wrong interpretation. HN users are probably more democrat than republican but kind of anti HN being about politics.

      • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2 hours ago ago

        Compare this thread to one two years ago announcing Trump's Presidential victory. That wasn't flagged; thousands of comments; still US politics. No, it's clear partisanship that's hidden behind an implausible veneer of anti-politics rhetoric.

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057647

        • NoDodgeQuestion 14 minutes ago ago

          you not know, consistency in moderation is impossible, anyway we are orthogonal

        • fingerlocks an hour ago ago

          A lot of new accounts were made that day

  • harmmonica 10 hours ago ago

    People will complain that this is on HN, but I just want to say that nothing makes me more patriotic than having faith in my fellow citizens. I am neither a democrat nor a republican. But this (House and Senate results even if Senate doesn’t change parties) shows that a good chunk of the population knows that what’s been happening at the Federal level is unacceptable.

    Now let’s hope we see some real change (and that isn’t advocating for a lurch left). I have my doubts real change is possible but you have to start somewhere.

    • BugsJustFindMe 6 hours ago ago

      > "this shows that a good chunk of the population knows that what’s been happening at the Federal level is unacceptable."

      It also shows that a good chunk of the population does _not_ know it.

    • rich_sasha 5 hours ago ago

      Huh. I’m just confused about the people who saw Trump v1 and voted him in again for v2.

      > Damn man, cutting off my leg seemed like a good idea at the time, but it turned out bad. But a while later, I wasn’t happy with my life, so I thought, what the hell, I’ll cut off the other one too, see what happens. That was bad too! So when my neighbor asked me if I want to burn my prosthetic legs as well, I said - NEVER!

      • rdsubhas 5 hours ago ago

        I understood it as the other party putting in lame duck after lame duck.

        • krapp 4 hours ago ago

          That is the established narrative. However everyone the Democrats put forth was objectively more qualified for the job than Donald Trump, one lost despite getting millions more votes than he, and another won.

          Harris didn't lose because she was a lame duck, she lost because she wanted to appeal to the center and the right more so than the left. The race was close enough that the leftists she alienated by refusing to take a stand against Israel, alone, might have put her over the top.

          • tim333 2 hours ago ago

            Harris was pretty bad. See

            >Harris had a more leftist voting record in Senate than Sanders https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/28/kamala-harr...

            and came across as rather dim. I watched her twice saying 300 million Americans died of covid. The figure was 300 k but if you can't do thousand vs million and not realise 300 million dying was unlikely should you be president?

            • rjrjrjrj an hour ago ago

              Trump was a convicted criminal.

            • krapp 2 hours ago ago

              >but if you can't do thousand vs million and not realise 300 million dying was unlikely should you be president?

              My brother in Christ do you think people voted for Trump because he was the more intelligent choice? He says dumber things than that all the time, and puts them into policy.

              Heck, let's make it bipartisan - Obama once said he campaigned in "all 57 states." Minor gaffes like this don't actually matter, they happen all the time. What matters is platform and policy, and the only people I've seen who had an opinion on Kamala Harris' platform were Democrats. The Republicans she wanted to court were never going to vote for her on principle, and the fence-sitters were too disillusioned and cynical to bother showing up.

              • tim333 an hour ago ago

                I don't like Trump but he comes across as fairly high IQ if a bit corrupt and demented. I say this as a random Brit who sees odd bits on the internet.

                I followed democratic strategist James Carville a bit and he said when Biden proved gaga that they should have a townhall for prospective candidates and choose the best and it was unamerican to just anoint some insider. If they had actually done that I think they would have found someone competent and won, but no and we have the current nightmare.

                I think there needs to be a return to selecting people who are honest competent and represent the majority.

                • krapp an hour ago ago

                  Considering Trump fairly high IQ and Harris dim and incompetent because the latter made a single verbal gaffe and despite the former's constant sundowning and thoroughly well documented ignorance is... certainly a position.

                  • tim333 21 minutes ago ago

                    It wasn't just the repeated gaffe, it was a general impression.

          • rdsubhas 44 minutes ago ago

            Then the idea of qualified is wrong.

      • zombot an hour ago ago

        I admire your optimism.

    • rubicon33 8 hours ago ago

      "Now let’s hope we see some real change. I have my doubts real change is possible but you have to start somewhere."

      Well, kudos to you I guess, for having any hope at all. Mine is long lost. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. Real change is a fallacy.

      • harmmonica 8 hours ago ago

        I’m just naive. We’re more alike than not, but hope is a powerful drug if you can get even a little bit of access to it (which is very difficult when living a normal, day-to-day life imo).

    • ethbr1 2 hours ago ago

      "The definition of democracy is that the party in power can lose an election."

    • beloch 8 hours ago ago

      Canadian here.

      The house and senate both flipping is encouraging, but pay close attention to what comes next. There is no end to the self-inflicted challenges that the U.S. now faces. Many of them must be dealt with urgently. However, Democrat commentators are already saying that it will be to their advantage in 2028 if a Democrat controlled Congress accomplishes nothing for two years because Trump veto'd everything. This is not acceptable.

      The U.S. has destabilized the globe. The conflicts they have both started and exacerbated need to be resolved in less than two years. Don't let your leaders, whichever side they're on, play politics until the next election. The U.S. has started a lot of fires. It needs to put them out promptly before somebody else does. Americans probably won't like it if that happens. That would cement the fall from unchallenged global superpower to just another misbehaving middle power.

      • rsynnott an hour ago ago

        > This is not acceptable.

        Unfortunately, that's almost certainly what's going to happen. They won't have a veto-proof majority.

    • analognoise 9 hours ago ago

      Flipped the senate, too.

      Good.

    • georgemcbay 9 hours ago ago

      > People will complain that this is on HN

      Not me, though I do expect this thread may get flagged, because... HN.

      > I just want to say that nothing makes me more patriotic than having faith in my fellow citizens.

      Same. It is also very heartening to see all of that (mostly Musk) Republican donor money totally lit on fire, and to see what appears to be a lot of black voters in the south coming out to stand up for their voting rights which the Republicans keep trying to strip.

      > Now let’s hope we see some real change

      Realistically the Democrats won't be able to change much in the next 2 years because of veto power, but just kneecapping Trump into a full lame duck is good enough for now. And they better start passing lots of real legislation that addresses the needs of the American public, EVEN IF THEY KNOW it is going to be vetoed. Make Trump and everyone around him (JD Vance, Rubio) own all the lack of progress directly in the run-up to the 2028 election.

      • harmmonica 8 hours ago ago

        I just texted this to a friend. I really do love capitalism and “corporate” and people getting rich and ra ra “America fuck yeah” but I love it in concept where that part of the country succeeds because of hard work and risk taking, not because of corruption and government favor. Let’s hope this is the start (or the revisiting?), as you said, of addressing the “needs of the American people,” the mass of people who have in some cases been fucked over for decades, and, for others, far longer.

        • ethbr1 2 hours ago ago

          Feels like there's going to be a lot of investigation into DoD contracts et al.

          And I expect at least some of the greater Trump orbit fucked up severely in leaving an illegal paper trail, because people new to corruption aren't very good at it. Especially at the cabinet hangers-on level.

          Also, the Senate can and should fucking sit on any Trump Supreme Court pick until the next election.

          Because fuck McConnell and his party for stalling Garland's nomination for 293 days. Thomas or Alito can be filled by the next president.

    • dzhiurgis 7 hours ago ago

      There's nothing woke about this. Since 1946, the president's party has lost House seats in 18 of 20 midterms (90%).

      • anon7725 6 hours ago ago

        You are responding to a studiously nonpartisan comment with the word “woke”?

  • robrain 9 hours ago ago

    Is there any more important news for hackers today? But this story gets flagged. Wild

    • cosmicgadget 9 hours ago ago

      Texas flipping is kind of up there.

      • ethbr1 2 hours ago ago

        Nothing like trolling a troll.

        Hope Elon has a great day.

    • ambione 5 hours ago ago

      likely not a coincidence.

    • robrain 9 hours ago ago

      And now the Senate.

  • penguin_booze 5 hours ago ago

    The rest of us can (and should) ignore all this. We proceed as planned before: de-Americanise everything; end slavery; restore sovereignty.

  • woggy 8 hours ago ago

    Curious why this is flagged? Seismic shift in US politics today.

    • Jtsummers 8 hours ago ago

      US politics almost always gets flagged here. The mods occasionally disable flagging for these discussions. Non-US politics are less likely to get flagged, though.

      • tstrimple 4 hours ago ago

        Mods are complicit mostly because their employers support the fascist shit.

        • tim333 an hour ago ago

          The biggest shareholder I think is PG and he opposes the fascist shit https://x.com/paulg/status/1851200055220306378

        • woggy 3 hours ago ago

          Yes, I mean just look at the post when Trump was elected president. Thousands of comments. This moment is just as important.

    • isoprophlex 7 hours ago ago

      @dang i understand this is prime rage bait material, but i REALLY want to talk about this on my favorite place for discussing things

      How do you feel about having a single containment zone-style submission to channel everyone's nervous energies into?

    • dzhiurgis 7 hours ago ago

      This "seismic shift" has been happening in 90% of midterms since 1946.

      • anon7725 6 hours ago ago

        It really hasn’t, though. The president’s party reliably loses seats. It doesn’t reliably get annihilated to the point of electing Democratic senators in Kansas.

      • woggy 3 hours ago ago

        Yeah nah, not the house and the senate. Tell me how many times that has happened.

      • happymellon 5 hours ago ago

        90% of the time Texas flips?

      • abenga 3 hours ago ago

        The last time a Kansas Democrat was elected senator was 94 years ago.

  • foobarchu 10 hours ago ago

    I'm begging the news agencies: stop reporting things as fact that are entirely based on projections. It says so in the body of this article, this is a projection, not actual results.

    • rsynnott an hour ago ago

      This is the way that American elections work, essentially. CBS projects them, AP does a somewhat more thorough projection, and then eventually the states certify them. These projections are virtually never wrong.

      Like, it's an extremely weird system, but it is how it has always worked. If you refuse to use it, you won't have a result for weeks.

    • jmyeet 9 hours ago ago

      Lots of things are probability and statistics so this is a truism of no value.

      News outlets are, in general, extremely conservative when calling races. The usual standard is somewhere between "there are not enough outstanding votes to change the outcome" and "the uncounted votes have to be insanely different to anything likely based on previous elections". More [1].

      Changing a projection has happened but it's incredibly rare.

      [1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/how-us-news-o...

    • ericyd 9 hours ago ago

      To clarify, you're complaining about the headline?

      • foobarchu 9 hours ago ago

        I am. It states as fact something that is projected.

        To be clear, I'd love it to be true, but I don't think we should be reporting things as fact without a mathematical certainty or a concession.

        • defrost 9 hours ago ago

          The sub heading immediately states it is a projection, and the majority of experienced readers will understand the headline to imply a high probability projection.

            Democrats win control of the House of Representatives, with a vow to combat Trump
            NBC News projects that Democrats will take control of the House next year, giving them the power to investigate Trump and advance legislation to check his policies.
    • georgemcbay 9 hours ago ago

      Projected race calls are correct 99.9% of the time.

      NBC's last two projection errors were 2000 (Bush v Gore presidential race in Florida, which was universally just a fucked race) and 1960.

      It is a given at this point that Democrats have, in fact, won control of the House for 2027 (as long as there isn't any Trump shitfuckery, which I think the win this year is going to be way too big for him to even try it).

      • giardini 9 hours ago ago

        Why? What's he got to lose? If I were him I'd do my best!8-))

        • anon7725 6 hours ago ago

          He’s not on the ballot and is too lazy to try to ratfuck this.

      • deaux 9 hours ago ago

        > NBC's last two projection errors were 2000 (Bush v Gore presidential race in Florida, which was universally just a fucked race) and 1960.

        The former wasn't an error. So they've made one, 60 years ago.

        • ghtbircshotbe 6 hours ago ago

          The good old days of hanging chads and presidents being picked by the supreme court

        • orwin 4 hours ago ago

          I mean, hard to loose a close race when your brother is the governor, the media should've known.

  • CodeArtisan 9 hours ago ago

    "THREAD on how data center-related ballot measures are faring tonight"

    https://x.com/jdcapelouto/status/2117786709173645427

    • ethbr1 2 hours ago ago

      Reposting from stopwatchstring's comment:

      > On the other hand, why aren’t we just building all this shit in the vast emptiness in the middle of the country anyway? Hmm.

      Exactly. You have a power-hungry asset that needs few humans to operate, causes severe noise pollution, and can effectively be located anywhere in CONUS with minimal latency impact.

      Imho, what federal and state governments should be doing is fast-tracking power and network infra to agreed locations in the mid and southwest, ideally in areas suited to solar and wind.

      Pre-zone the land around for the desired mix of power + datacenter, then let private industry build what they want.

      There's entirely too much empty land to make building in {small town} make any goddamn sense.

  • pluc 2 hours ago ago

    I mean who would've thought you had to get rid of make america great again to make america great again

    shit's so funny. until you forget it and get the stupids again.

    MAGAGA!

  • cosmicgadget 9 hours ago ago

    Does this mean the files will finally be released?

    • zzleeper 9 hours ago ago

      only DOJ/Trump can release them. Maybe they'll burn em

      • peterbecich 5 hours ago ago

        The Biden DoJ could have prosecuted, if there were evidence. Same set of files, I reason.

        • ModernMech 19 minutes ago ago

          Maybe, but Merrick Garland was a worthless, toothless AG who couldn’t even prosecute the insurrection that happened on live TV. So maybe not.

  • LocalH 9 hours ago ago

    Of course this is flagged

  • koolba 10 hours ago ago

    I’m starting to doubt Trump can win again in 2028.

    • cosmicgadget 9 hours ago ago

      Well once we all become filthy rich from the tariffs, the ACA is replaced with something way better, and we agree to peace with Iran for the 230th time, we'll be overturning that silly amendment real quick.

    • mproud 9 hours ago ago

      The sarcasm is strong with this one

    • giardini 9 hours ago ago

      He cannot "win again" in 2028 - he's already been elected twice to the presidency and the 22nd amendment bars him from an elected third term.

      OTOH he could run for VP. Then were the new president to resigned or die then Trump could serve a third (un-elected) term as president! Rinse, repeat!8-))

      • Jtsummers 9 hours ago ago

        > OTOH he could run for VP.

        No, he can't. The elected VP also has to be eligible to be elected as president.

        The 12th Amendment says:

        > But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

        Paired with the 22nd which restricts Presidential eligibility, Trump cannot be elected as VP. He could potentially (this would go through the courts, it is a gray area) be nominated to VP, but he cannot be elected as President or VP again.

      • tromp 6 hours ago ago

        The only way he could stay in the White House is if Melania got elected (the Clinton route).

        • 1659447091 5 hours ago ago

          > The only way he could stay in the White House is if Melania got elected

          Melania is not a natural born US citizen so that would be impossible

          • rsynnott an hour ago ago

            One of his ridiculous children, perhaps.

  • pacomerh 8 hours ago ago

    flagged? wow HN showing its real colors.

    • anon7725 6 hours ago ago

      Black, red and a bit of white?

  • ai_critic 10 hours ago ago

    Tomorrow, we should consider what policy decisions and mistakes the Democrats may have yet to make with their newfound power, both in the House and elsewhere.

    We should ponder whether they'll fix the filibuster that has laid them low so many times. Whether they'll come up with a coherent and air-tight strategy for curbing executive overreach, both now and for the future. Whether they'll cripple America's position in AI and rocketry/orbital stuff. Whether they'll figure out how to fix the immigration issues and backlog. Whether they'll do anything meaningful about the military adventurism abroad.

    But my colleagues--that is tomorrow.

    Tonight--tonight, we can enjoy that there is still enough of a vestige of an animating spirit in the body politic to rise up and cause change and make the bastards sit up and take notice that election results are not forgone conclusions, that buffoonery and trickery have their limits when set against a people sufficiently animated by despair and distress and frustration and justice.

    Tonight we can enjoy things.